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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 @ 07:08pm
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 @ 03:01pm
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reporting satans_valentine
Satans_Valentine LMAO how snottily accurate of an oldbie account they know how to walk a fine line between outright flaming and being as nasty as they can be. But ******** all others who dont have old accounts! God forbid you admit you were wrong and actually act adultish and *gasp* apologize for calling me greedy when you are totally clueless as to who I am or whether or not I wanted her to pay me for the art. You find out I don't do art and you ignore that and go for the other side of the throat. Typical oldbie bullshit. Try acting like a human being instead of god knows what and admit when you make a total hinney of yourself. then you will be worth knowing until then stay away from me and consider your a** on ignore miss high and mighty you know what. I am so sick of oldbies.....what a waste of breathe and time. God knows no matter what they always have to be right even when proven wrong. *sigh* Gaia would be better off without some people.
plus i used to be angry too, and i'm working on it, I wouldn't want to grow up into an angry adult now would i?
Although I am sorry that this hurt you so badly, really it wasn't even for you, it was to get someone to help her, and it worked. :3 things aren't always what they seem, and sometimes that's more fun and challenging in the end!89ecb15b566850b134f15ac3aad865ce
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mindweaver
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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 @ 03:38pm
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meriko's reply and my doom
Meriko mindweaver On April 10, 2006 a user created a possible scam thread : here
It's kida obvious that it was a scam since people can't gift wrap donation letters (that i'm aware of) but what bothered me more was the fact that a user would need to stoop so low as to need to scam people so i stuck around. Of course an alarming amount of people got right off the bat that it was a scam, but one user in particular was offended when i simply said, it's only 500g (if he really wants it that badly and you have gold to spend, i don't see a problem in helping out..and by that i do mean donating). Of course i'm very aware that it's not fair to other users who get cheated by scammers, but my theory is to help them in a positive way. I suppose that's a bit idealistic, but I'm going to stick to my beliefs and Ideals. My more selfish concern is the events on page 4 of this thread. I did threaten to report mimisi_setsuai for calling me an idiot and then in another post said I was dumb (only because i simply did not want to assume that this person was a mule, i have no proof of that, so where do i have to right to go around telling others that this person is a mule, when i could be wrong). This may not be conventional FLAMING, but i consider that direct meanness shown by mimisi_setsusai abusive. If you look further down the page you might notice that other users are concerned with the way i'm treated by mimisi_setsusai & one other (Flip -n- Dip), although she was scammed, agreed that it was just 500g and if anyone was so concerned with the scam she would help refund the lost gold. I quoted her post saying that i would help as well. Note i had no intention of endorsing the scam, only that i would help get back the lost gold. Now another reason that mimisi_setsusai reported me was because she said i aided in the scam. I wholeheartedly disagree. I did not participate in this user's plot, and i also do not tolerate the idea of scamming, but I tried to think of this more as a donation. I truly don't want to believe that this person is totally to blame for their scam. It's seen all the time on gaia and what are new users to think? maybe he got the wrong idea from another user, or just bad advice, is it so bad to forgive him for a mistake? It's all i can do anyways, i don't have the responsibility of his punishment.
To get to the point, i've been reported and punished once for FLAMING so i do know to the extent it can be; I truly believe that after that incident and what it was rooted in, that i have made a complete turn around, to work for a more positive way of solving problems. But if another mod possibly agrees with mimisi_setsusai, i do not want to lose my account for something so petty as this. I'm so sorry, it's selfish of me to ask so bluntly, but could you possibly review this thread, and give me an idea of what may happen. I honestly don't think that anyone is really to blame, and I wish that i could retract my reporting of mimisi_setsusai, because maybe she didn't realise how hurtful she was acting towards me and i can understand that, i've made the same mistake when i was newer (and younger IRL) on gaia!
I would also like to point out that i've helped a few users get their gold back, and if i missed anyone else affected by the scam I would welcome any information (with the new banking system it would be easy to find out how much was lost today) of the users, and i'll help them to get their 500g back. That would be great!
Thank you so much, and if any clarification is needed feel free to ask and i'll do my best to help!
:3 thanks so much
- mindweaver Okie dokie, having read through the thread again, here is a more in-depth answer. ^^ IMPORTANT NOTE: I am only a Dedicated Gaia Moderator, so nothing in this PM is a ruling one way or the other on the scam accusation itself. I do not handle scam cases, so this is merely a response to your request for my personal opinion. The Omnimoderator who handles the scam report and/or the report about your possible involvement will be the mod who actually hands down the official decisions, if any. First of all, scamming is a violation of the ToS, no matter how much or how little the scammer gains, or how obvious or subtle a scam it is. Bottom line, scam = warning and/or ban. This person in particular may or may not be a scammer. That is for an Omnimoderator to find out. Dedicated Gaia Moderators (purple names like mine) do not handle hack/scam cases. That being said, please do not support/justify the concept of scamming by saying things like, "it's only 500 gold" and categorizing being scammed as a way of helping someone out with donations. Yes, it's only 500 gold, and if a user wants gold from other people s/he can ask for donations. You're basically saying that scamming isn't such a bad thing and that is not an idea I want to encourage. ^^; And to take a more hardcore look at this situation, let's say this user is in fact a scammer. And let's say someone saw your posts and was swayed by them and got sucked in. End result is, you did in fact help a scammer get another victim. ^^; So for more reasons than one, please don't support the idea of scamming. You may certain defend an accused scammer by pointing out facts, such as "I haven't seen anyone claim to have won a letter yet so you can't really say he's using mules to aid the scam." But please do not support the idea of scams in general by downplaying them. I hope this clears things up a little bit. ^^ Meriko You're basically saying that scamming isn't such a bad thing and that is not an idea I want to encourage. ^^; - I guess I thought that I was trying to appear calm so other users would not get riled up, in so few words. When I posted I was basically say that donating wasn't such a bad idea, and to make the users that felt bad about being scammed, maybe they would feel better if they thought of it as a donation and tried to forgive the fact that their rights were infringed upon. I hoped to help them accept that they wouldn't get their gold back, and it worked. The victims were aware of what happened and I, like an insurance policy, helped them get back what they lost and they also gained the ablilty to forgive a little easier. actually it's made things a little less clear, the thing is, I actually said that i didn't really seen any evidence towards the use of mules. I also did not endorse his scam, i only told people to calm down and not jump to conclusions. Who knows i could have been wrong, it might not be a scam, but to go as far as fudging the line i tried to create between forgiving a mistake and contributing to a scam is a harsh opinion. It really starts to look bad for me by now I think. I just don't see how responding to a scam in calm way would be aiding in it. In response to other people's upset words i said it's only 500g, it can be earned back, but i tried to give most of the victims 500g back, and was hoping to appear like it wasn't my business to punish a scammer, only try to help everybody. It must not make a difference what my actions were only how my words were interperted, or that there is very strong evidence that I had no intention of aiding in a scam. Although arrogant of me to point out, I think it has become nessisary to say that I make a lot of donations to people without any intention of personal gain. The victims of the scams agreed that I was helping them, not tricking them. mindweaver Tempari mindweaver Tempari *sigh* It's hard for me to get money. Even 500g. Thank you! That's really kind. I don't mind the bad people now, because theres more good than bad. ^_^ this post was made on page 7 of the thread. I have just openly stated that what he did was very wrong, but i've also injected forgivness into the secinario, which is what many many people tend to forget to do. I stand firm on the actions that i have taken, because I've managed to get others to be kind. It's just as important to focus on the people's reactions when they get scammed because it has created more hatred and meanness on gaia (I think we have pleanty when a stranger can call another stranger an idiot for just trying to calm the situation down...i), although warranted to be upset, do they have the right to be just as rude as the scammer was to them? Hatred and meanness spreads like a plague here, and it's time people start trying to end it where it starts. By the end of this thread I hope that it's more apparent that i was doing only what i could do in that situation and hoping to let others know that they were as helpless as I, and we can only deal with the now, and it's a mod's (i use that word loosely) job to deal with the rest. So how can that be aiding in a scam? i guess basically all that is just addressing how you thought that people would misunderstand my posts and be suckered in, but what some of the victims said was quite different: jokercommander mimisi_setsuai And I don't tolerate scamming. Report me all you like, I've reported you for threats and aiding a scam. okay. i don't know how she is aiding in the scam. but some one is being a idoit. [she] refers to me. I just want to try to show my best intentions, even though you aren't really the one to deal with this sort of thing. I was hoping my word and the positive words of the victims would hint towards that.
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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 @ 11:15pm
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to meriko
On April 10, 2006 a user created a scam thread : here It's kida obvious that it was a scam since people can't gift wrap donation letters (that i'm aware of) but what bothered me more was the fact that a user would need to stoop so low as to need to scam people so i stuck around. Of course an alarming amount of people got right off the bat that it was a scam, but one user in particular was offended when i simply said, it's only 500g (if he really wantss it that badly and you have gold to spend, i don't see a problem in helping out..). Of course i'm very aware that it's not fair to other users who get cheated by scammers, but my theory is to help them in a positive way. I suppose that's a bit idealistic, but I'm going to stick to my beliefs and Ideals. My more selfish concern is the events on page 4 of this thread. I did threaten to report mimisi_setsuai for calling me an idiot and then in another post said I was dumb (only because i simply did not want to assume that this person was a mule, i have no proof of that, so where do i have to right to go around telling others that this person is a mule, when i could be wrong). This may not be conventional FLAMING, but i consider that direct meanness shown by mimisi_setsusai abusive. If you look further down the page you might notice that other users are concerned with the way i'm treated by mimisi_setsusai & one other (Flip -n- Dip), although she was scammed, agreed that it was just 500g and if anyone was so concerned with the scam she would help refund the lost gold. I quoted her post saying that i would help as well. Now another reason that mimisi_setsusai reported me was because she said i aided in the scam. I wholeheartedly disagree. I did not participate in this user's plot, and i also do not tolerate the idea of scamming, but I tried to think of this more as a donation. I truly don't want to believe that this person is totally to blame for their scam. It's seen all the time on gaia and what are new users to think? maybe he got the wrong idea from another user, or just bad advice, is it so bad to forgive him for a mistake? To get to the point, i've been reported and punished once for FLAMING so i do know to the extent it can be; I truly believe that after that incident and what it was rooted in, that i have made a complete turn around, to work for a more positive way of solving problems. But if another mod possibly agrees with mimisi_setsusai, i do not want to lose my account for something so petty as this. I'm so sorry, it's selfish of me to ask so bluntly, but could you possibly review this thread, and give me an idea of what may happen. I honestly don't think that anyone is really to blame, and I wish that i could retract my reporting of mimisi_setsusai, because maybe she didn't realise how hurtful she was acting towards me and i can understand that, i've made the same mistake when i was newer (and younger IRL) on gaia! I would also like to point out that i've helped a few users get their gold back, and if i missed anyone else affected by the scam I would welcome any information (with the new banking system it would be easy to find out how much was lost today) of the users, and i'll help them to get their 500g back. That would be great! Thank you so much, and if any clarification is needed feel free to ask and i'll do my best to help! :3 thanks so much - mindweaver
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mindweaver
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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 @ 10:18pm
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 @ 09:57pm
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mindweaver
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Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 @ 03:48pm
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Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2004 @ 10:02am
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mindweaver
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Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2004 @ 01:15am
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