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my thoughts on why we Americans should build that great wall to keep lleagal immegrents out but before i do id like to say that i mean that i do mean to disrespect any body of which lives, came from, or just loves Mexico i just dont see why they have to cross illegaly


I support this bill because I do not see why we, as working Americans, should have to support those ILLEGAL immigrants. If they want to come over here to badly, then they can do it legally. Some may argue that it takes longer for them to wait for their paper work to go through before they are allowed citizenship, but nothing in this world can be done overnight. Others might argue that putting up a barrier such as a wall would only worsen our economy by the money from Mexican citizens not being here. Just because we put up a wall to defend against illegal immigrants is not saying that we are not going to allow visitors and workers to continue coming into the United States. It just simply says that they have to do it legally. Just as you and I cross the International Bridge at the port of entry to get into Mexico, is the same way they can come across to get into the United States. It is the undocumented peoples in the United States that are a problem. Once they are here in the states, what good is it for them to get a job and work hard when they know all they have to do is stand in line at the welfare office? Would you work when an option to sit on your a** at home and watch television and still have the same amount of income was in your reach? Think realistically with me here for a moment. These senators do not want to control immigration. They want to expand it. They don't care whether it's illegal or legal immigration. What they did was vote in favor of changing our society so as to massively empower the federal government. The federal government will have far more control over wages than before. Entitlement programs are going to have to expand in order to accommodate all these new arrivals and their children. Taxes are going to have to go up in order to pay for all this.

Remember when the 370-mile fence on the border was proposed and suggested, the 500-mile vehicle barricade or blockade, Christopher Dodd said (summarized), "Wait a minute! Wait a minute! We can't do this without consultation with the government of Mexico."

Guess what ended up in the bill? Just that: "Consultations between the United States and Mexican authorities at the federal, state, and local levels concerning the construction of additional fencing and related border security structures along the United States-Mexico border shall be undertaken prior to commencing any new construction." Before we can build a fence we've got to consult with Vicente Fox and the state governors, whatever they're called in Mexico and the local people on their side of the border in order to solicit the views of affected communities in Mexico to lessen tensions and foster greater understanding and stronger cooperation on this and other important issues of mutual concern. The Dodd amendment was included in a manager's amendment offered by Senator Specter which included several additional amendments. It was adopted by the Senate. So even the fence will have to essentially get the approval after consultation with officials throughout government layers in Mexico!

Dana Rohrabacher yesterday in the Washington Times had a piece called "The 'Shamnesty' Legislation," and he says, "This 'shamnesty' bill spells out the level of contempt the Senate has for middle-class Americans. This 'comprehensive' bill includes: In-state tuition for illegal aliens. Your kid has to pay full freight if they cross state lines, but the illegal alien who broke into the country doesn't. All temporary guest workers have to be paid the prevailing wage. American citizens do not have to be paid prevailing wage. All agricultural guest workers under this bill cannot be fired by their employers except for what the bill calls 'just cause.'

"However, American agricultural workers can be fired for any reason," and again in the agricultural business, just to give you an example, 24% of the jobs are held by illegal aliens, which means 76% are held by Americans, and yet we are told these are jobs Americans won't do. In the Senate bill, "Illegal aliens are made eligible for Social Security. Not only will they receive retirement benefits, but their children will receive survivor benefits should the parents pass away. This is at a time when we are trying to keep Social Security solvent for the next generation," and therein lies a huge key.

"Taxpayer dollars to radical immigrant-rights groups so they can help illegal aliens adjust their status. Millions of your tax dollars will go to the same groups that organized those rallies where people who came here illegally waved foreign flags and thumbed their noses at our laws." Make no mistake, folks, this is the expansion of government on parade. This is the importation of new people in poverty necessitating an expansion of the safety net and expansion in tax rates to pay for it. Another transfer of wealth and an expansion of government in order to accomplish all this, thereby cementing even more dependency among these new arrivals.

the Democratic Party is running out of victims, they need more victims. It's true! We're just importing victims here. We're importing victims that are going to be in poverty, and listen to McCain, listen to these people speak. These illegal aliens are being characterized as super citizens, folks. They do work that you won't do, you elitist, spoiled-rotten American legal.

You won't do what really needs to be done for this country. Oh, but we're going to be saved now by these super citizens crossing the border. They don't commit any crimes, they don't drain resources. They've been built up as super citizens, superior to you, and some, you know, downtrodden group wandering aimlessly through deserts, thunderstorms, hurricanes. I mean, the future, the backbone of America here is how they're being portrayed.

I know one of the reasons that you're confused. Look, I have here the AP story contrasting what's in the Senate bill and what's in the House bill. You want to hear how they portray what's in the Senate bill?

"Allows illegal immigrants who have been in the country five years or more to remain, continue working, and eventually become legal permanent residents and citizens after paying at least $3,250 in fines and fees and back taxes and learning English." They don't tell you there's no enforcement mechanism here for any of this. They don't have to learn English. All they have to is enroll and say that they're going to go. There's no monitoring. If they never show up, doesn't matter. The 3,250 bucks? They have eight years to pay it. It doesn't tell you that. Uh, "requires illegal immigrants in the US between two and five years to go to a point of entry at the border and file an application to return." Anybody want to bet that the numbers that actually do this can be counted on both hands?

Because who's going to? What in the world's going to cause, "Okay, I've only been here two or three years, so where do I go? What's a port of entry?" You think they're going to stand up and identify themselves? (Raspberry.) There's no enforcement mechanism. "Orders deportation of illegal immigrants convicted of a felony or three misdemeanors no matter how long they have been in the United States." Once again, the law currently on the books is, if you're here illegally, you get deported. This is an improvement in the deal. Now you can stay here illegally, but if you get caught in the middle of a felony all you gotta do is go to La Raza or some immigrant lawyer and get this litigated.
H.R. 4437: Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005

Status: Passed House (92% of Republicans supporting, 82% of Democrats opposing.)This bill has been passed in the House. The bill now goes on to be voted on in the Senate.
Introduced: Dec 6, 2005
Last Action: Jan 27, 2006: Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.
Sponsor: Rep. James Sensenbrenner [R-WI]
Cost: $7 per American over the 2006-2010 period


Title: To amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to strengthen enforcement of the immigration laws, to enhance border security, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Rep Sensenbrenner, F. James, Jr. [WI-5] (introduced 12/6/2005)
Related Bills: H.RES.610, H.RES.621, S.2454, S.2611
Latest Major Action: 1/27/2006 Referred to Senate committee.
Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary.
House Reports: 109-345 Part 1

Title X: Fencing and Other Border Security Improvements - (Sec. 1002) Amends the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 to direct the Secretary to construct at least two layers of reinforced fencing, additional physical barriers, roads, lighting, cameras and sensors in five specified zones along the U.S.-Mexico border.