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The mind, being infinitely creative, makes way for an infinity of past universes, almost necessitating an infinity of future universes, but not necessarily an infinity of things within the particular universe that comes to be, although that would be fun. See, here, we are equating a universe with a timeline, and assuming that the past, when the universe was "originally" born...
... keeping in mind, obviously, that there can be no certainty as to whether this was the first birth of the universe.
{nods} Of course. So at the beginning of this particular birth of the universe, there was and still is, given our inability to track it down, a miasma of possible timelines, not yet differentiated, and drifting, in an aimless sea of possibility. If we were to come to a definite conclusion of which particular state must have led to this particular universe and eliminate all of the others, then there would only be one single universe born from one single explosion.
... but even that universe would still have differentiated, each moment in time containing infinite possible moments of time until definitely identified as finite and, presumably preferably, one, eliminating all others.
Yeah.
Why concentrate on the past at all, though? You're a forward-looking person; you shirk history books because they're things that have already happened.
That's... true.
Do I really have to say out loud that you have to learn about the past if you are ever to be prepared for a future?
But both are equally inaccessible. The past has already happened.
No, no, don't give me that; we were just talking about how the past is not yet a set thing. It is as full of possibilities as the future.
Well, then... then the present is also full of infinite possibilities, and therefore infinite things within the chosen present. And if the past is decided upon by the final conclusion of a human consciousness or set of human consciousnesses by virtue of its indeterminacy...
... then the present and present future are also determined by conclusion of human consciousness.
... that is, infinitely creative human consciousness, able to decide for itself what is to have been construed and discovered.
That means that each human being must decide presently which future will determine the future past such that the future present contains that which has been previously created... by presently decided upon future conclusions.
That... hurts to think about.
Yeah...
No! No, don't stop there; we're on to something!
So... if all consciousness in the universe, somehow including the potential God... potential God as created by human consciousness?
Don't work theology or metaphysics, yet; there's equal chance that human consciousness was created by God, so that doesn't matter for this.
You're right. What I was saying: if all consciousness in the universe, including the potential God, Gods, or gods, were to decisively conclude, presently, to agree in the future, however immediate or distant that future, that in such a future past, something beyond the currently-agreed-upon "reality" as we experience it will have been real, then such a thing must be real in the "now," assuming that all of its potential timelines have not been wiped out by conclusive human observation and determination and can still be this timeline as well as its own.
...which would make us God.
On a more sinister note, if we were to architect a situation in which we became the only vestige of consciousness left in the universe, we would be able to decide on our own which pasts led to the preferred present.
... but it would get awfully lonely.
I know you two don't take me seriously, but can we please look at this theologically?
But your only motivation is the power lust associated with it.
So? You two are saying that if all consciousness were to agree upon a reality that doesn't necessarily already coincide with our own, then that reality would manifest itself.
{nods} {nods} Leave it to you to steal theology from me.
{glares} I'm the only one who can steal it, douche-bag. Anyway. So... we, as humans or at least human-born sentience, are God, then. Collectively, even if such a collection includes some other-existing God, Gods, or gods. That's what a miracle is, isn't it? Water into wine by the will of some tremendous consciousness, despite the seemingly forgone conclusions by others that such a feat is impossible? Walking on water by both Christ and Peter? Heh, a rock walking on water... sank like one, too.
{dawning realization, ignoring the tangent} So the strength of a particular mind also plays a role... strength of conviction leads to strength of a particular past, present, and future. The greater the summed willpower concluding upon a particular universe, the greater the power of that universe itself, all upon an almost mathematical gradient of seemingly-intertwining possibilities.
That would mean that it wouldn't have to be a consensus. A particularly weak willpower would have virtually no say in the manifestation of any given present moment.
The Eastern philosophers seemed to be thinking about this in prosaic, physical terms. Even they, if we've been taught right, threw out the possibilities of so-called "fantastic" occurrences, attributing all activity and happening to the collection of very physical and mentally-real actions by human beings. The problem, then, is that in a very passive way, there is a world-wide movement against so-called "fantastic" occurrences, preventing them from manifesting and slowly dwindling those universes' chances to ever be "the" universe we all know
and love
presumably.
So this disaster predicted to occur in 2012... With enough global conviction, it will actually become a reality, assuming no God holding sway on the summed consciousness of the universe. This hype, with this movie that's coming out about it, is chipping away at all universes in which humanity survives and strengthening those in which humanity does not. Luckily, there are so many people with such strong passively survivalist wills that the chance of it actually happening is very low.
But it's still there. But I don't think there's any need to worry; everyone was convinced that we would all die in 2000 from a violent revolution from the machine world.
But this time, those Mayans kind of put a c***k in our chances... They've convinced a lot of people.
Don't you get it? Your own conviction that a doomsday is coming adds to its chances of occurring. Human determination-
Which part of me is human?
The mind, at the very least.
{sticks his tongue out} Fine, I get it. But wouldn't it be interesting to see how people reacted to the oncoming apocalypse?
... I'm sure it would make a great movie. And it would be fun. But I'd rather be certain I could count on "supernatural" prowess to ensure my own survival...
{rolls eyes} ... which is already predetermined by your own determination of your own survival, or should be if your strength of will is great enough...
Yeah. Right. If my own will was will enough, we'd all very much be in different places than we are now. For instance, I'd be filthy rich.
Willpower accompanied by action, then?
But then we're back to insufficient, Eastern philosophies... {narrows eyes} and I thought you were the lazy one.
{whistles innocently}
Walking circles.
In that case, I'm done for today, whether you're happy about it or not.
I'm good.
And you?
This wasn't my idea in the first place. I'm'a go play DDR.
Ooh! Ooh, me, too!

[exeunt]

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Prayer!
... my God. You're right.
That willpower, that desire for a certain future to come as a result of a decided-upon past - that is prayer! We beseech a God who may or may not be that he add to the force of his tremendous consciousness our particular petition, so often not realizing that it is our own willpower that can also cause that petition to be given worth.
The power of prayer... is a semi-farce.
Yep.

...

Let's get back to the game.
Agreed. Agreed.