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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:29 pm
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:12 pm
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[BIG DISCLAIMER: I don't read Tarot in a spiritual sense, but I don't discount its potential as a spiritual tool.]
Noticing that you're repeatedly getting the same cards in different positions, whether or not you even believe in a mystical force behind the cards, might indicate that you're having an issue that deals with the meanings behind those cards. If you're reading with the aid or auspice of a supernatural or divine entity, it's quite possible that they're trying to smack you upside the head with something you need to be looking at now. As I noted in my disclaimer, I only read the cards as a form of meditation and reflection, but if I keep getting similar layouts, or similar interpretations of lays, I can't help but notice that perhaps there might just be an elephant in the room that I need to deal with.
My advice: If you're connected to anything outside yourself when you read, try asking it why it's leading you to the same concepts over and over again. Even if it's just psychodrama (I'm a theistic agnostic with my own personal gods, so I know the potential for psychodrama), it might help you focus your energies on a situation you've been overlooking.
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:09 am
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 10:07 am
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 10:18 am
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Pelta, normally I'm with you on a lot of things, but I think you've gone a little over-simplified with your answer. Both Jaden and I are answering from the standpoint of people who do not necessarily believe that the cards "do" anything on their own, and I think you're discounting us out-of-hand a little too glibly.
I believe it's possible that Mother Fali might guide my hands in shuffling and rotating the cards, but I'm too much of a believer in "the sacred geometry of chance", as Sting put it, to go for the "The cards are just telling me the same thing because I asked the same thing". Do also note that she was getting the cards in different positions, thus potentially altering the intended meaning of the cards in question. Also, you've discounted those of us who believe that a reading done for someone else, when that other person is not the one asking for the reading, reflects on the reader as well as the target, since some of us believe that the lay reflects on the question and the questioner.
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 10:44 am
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Henry Dorsett Case Pelta, normally I'm with you on a lot of things, but I think you've gone a little over-simplified with your answer. Both Jaden and I are answering from the standpoint of people who do not necessarily believe that the cards "do" anything on their own, and I think you're discounting us out-of-hand a little too glibly.
Hmm. I see what you mean. I missed the fact that she got them in different positions.
However, speaking as someone who's read cards mostly in a divinatory context, I have come across this before. I'm not sure whether it's because of asking the same question twice, or because of lazy shuffling or because the cards get pissed off at getting asked the same thing twice. Perhaps, indeed, there is some important significance to the cards for her.
In my experience they usually tell you what you ask for. Depending on what she was thinking of the second time she shuffled, the meanings and the significance of the repeated cards could be wildly different.
Quote: Also, you've discounted those of us who believe that a reading done for someone else, when that other person is not the one asking for the reading, reflects on the reader as well as the target, since some of us believe that the lay reflects on the question and the questioner.
That's a very good point. The fact that he was not there and did not specifically ask for the reading could well mean the reading was not for him. So I stand corrected - It is possible the readings were for her in the first place. But I would ascertain that they would have significance to her only if she was reading for herself. Having major issues crop up repeatedly in someone else's life is not a huge deal - but I can't see how repeated cards in someone else's reading (assuming she was actually reading for him and not subconsciously for herself) would have importance in the reader's life.
The only way I could conceive that happening is if the whole reading was actually for herself and she just thought she was reading for someone else. Then the cards would probably have major significance to her. If she was truly reading for someone else, perhaps those cards have major significance to him.
Really, I wouldn't be surprised at similar cards showing up in response to the same question. It is a tool. Why be so surprised when it does what it's supposed to do?
HDC: It's nice to disagree on things every now and then. This place would be awfully boring if we all thought the same way. mrgreen
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 11:18 am
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 12:50 pm
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Henry Dorsett Case Pelta HDC: It's nice to disagree on things every now and then. This place would be awfully boring if we all thought the same way. mrgreen Absolutely true. And I respect you as an established member of this guild, which is why I assumed bona fides. I just think, as I'm fairly certain Nuri does from having spoken with her, that as this guild grows, there is less and less room for a truly dismissive attitude of anything but obvious falsehood. Not saying that you had such yourself by any stretch of the imagination - I just think that as we get more and more members seeking information, we have to be more and more aware of how we present differing viewpoints. Indeed. But then of course we get into the difficulty of how different it is presenting information in a typed setting. I wasn't intending to sound dismissive, though in retrospect I can see how it may have seemed so. It's awful hard to have light-hearted discussion when the only facial expressions you have are little pixelated doodads. xp
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:41 pm
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:27 pm
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Henry Dorsett Case Also, you've discounted those of us who believe that a reading done for someone else, when that other person is not the one asking for the reading, reflects on the reader as well as the target, since some of us believe that the lay reflects on the question and the questioner.
Damn, that is twice today that I somewhat agree with Henry. Must be the drugs I am not taking or something.
Anyways, to further this with mediumship. If you get a message done on someone else, and they are not there, and this is also if thier guides have not given you permission to do so, then there is a huge chance from personal experience, that the information you get is either going to be A: Wrong or B: for you or about you rather than the other person.
Now you could do a tarot reading or what not on me, and probably be dead wrong, unless by chance, and that has a lot to do with how my guides are. Tis, one of the reasons I do not get messages from people I neither know or trust. And if I do not trust them, then why would my guides do so.
So, before this person continues to do "readings" on the young man, she may want to look at how the cards fit her life. I already gave her a step, it is up to her to take it.
To further, I do not think it is ethical or moral to do a reading on someone who you do not know, and that you do not know if you would have thier permission in doing so. Those that have gotten readings from me, would make sure that they had the permission of the other people, or at least a logical assumption that the other people whose names were involved would have given permission. It is only fair. I do not like it when I feel someone trying to poke around about my life without permission, so why should others?
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:05 pm
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:58 am
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:42 am
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:26 am
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:57 am
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