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Revenge; what do you do? |
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smite the fecker down, no-one wrongs me |
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 7:15 am
If someone's wronged you, and the opportunity arises that means you can take revenge on them, would you take it and how far would you go?
Personally, this has come up within the last few days; someone wronged me pretty damned badly and having divulged it to a few friends, they're baying for some blood, as am I. The opportunity to beat him to a pulp has arisen and whilst I would sorely wish to watch and participate, its the fear of recriminations that is holding me back.
I am disapointed that its just the fear of punishment that's holding me back (I really thought better of myself) I feel it is a just punishment for what was done, and its the only damned justice I'm likely to ever get.
So, what would you do, and why?
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:15 pm
Revenge isn't a bad thing, just don't get hell-bent on it and let it completely consume you and then destroy you somehow. If it's going to get you into too much trouble, don't do it, or think of some other way to do this.
I would do something about it if I really couldn't find it in myself to forgive the person. Then I would go about it in a way where there was the least amount of harm that could potentially come to me.
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:07 pm
I have a very vengeful streak, there are a few people in this world that I wish real harm upon because of what they've done. However, its laws that get inthe way of my revenge as well.
I think that in some circumstances, perhaps mob rule would cause better justice than the justice system creates. However, there are real problems with degenerating into vigilantism, including getting the wrong person. But really, for some crimes such as sexual assault, and child abuse, I feel no qualms with punishing the *genuine* perpetrator, because of what those things do to the victim.
not to mention the fact of how hard it is to get convictions for those crimes. Its frankly criminal (sorry, bad pun) at how hard it is to get a rape conviction. Not only that, but if a victim does get through to court she (as it invariably is) is treated as a liar, and its her put on trial, she has to prove that she was raped, rather than the guy prove he didn't, which makes a big difference.
The victim is attacked again; her reputation is questioned, she is forced to re-live an exceedingly tramatising event over and over, not only in reporting it, but in retelling it multiple times, while she is being attacked for *shock horror* consuming alcohol, for wearing the "wrong" clothes, for trusting people that she thought were friends, for apparently "leading on" a guy. The fact that these women usually say they disn't want sex and fought off their attacker is rarely brought up.
Revenge in the form of vigilatism for hard to convict crimes? I say bring on the lyncing rope.
I've seen too many of these crimes go unpunished, and their victims having to live a life of fear because they can't find any closure on their attack(s) because there's been no justice for them, or, hell, fearing that they're going to bump into their attacker because they're allowed to walk free, while the victim is condemned to a lifetime of punishment for doing nothing.
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:49 pm
omg... megalomaniac-freak, you have just voiced all those angry feelings about this subject that i can never put into words... CRAZY WEIRD!
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 11:03 am
Cactus Attack! omg... megalomaniac-freak, you have just voiced all those angry feelings about this subject that i can never put into words... CRAZY WEIRD! A friend of mine was raped and refused to report it... she pointed out all those points to me and kind of opened up my eyes to our "justice" *spits* system. Its true though, They only ever convict people that wrong middle class, middle aged, white men. Rape and sexual assault on women is viewed as a "women's problem", and where we live has one of the worst conviction rates for those crimes, mainly because the police (as revealed by uindercover research) have a culture of being uncomfortable with those crimes, not to mention sexist and racist. Police basically suck, and I want to not only revenge my friend but protect the other women this guy could hurt, or hell, has hurt before her. The only problem is, as a middle class white guy, there'd be a hell of a lot of fuss created and my a** would be thrown in jail. My defence of a revenge attack because the police would've done jack s**t would be useless and once again, the b*****d would walk scot free.
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:30 pm
I tend to resist the need for revenge. It should just be necessary to be strong and move on.
The only excusable circumstances for revenge: *Murder *Rape *Child rape (especially)
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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 2:15 pm
-Resurrected Writer- I tend to resist the need for revenge. It should just be necessary to be strong and move on. The only excusable circumstances for revenge: *Murder *Rape *Child rape (especially) **not to lessen your opinion, or offend** Why is child rape "especially"? I hold all three of those crimes with equal revulsion, true, we in this society hold childhood as an age of innocence an purity, and sexual activity and rape in particular as seen as an "end" to these concepts, but, I see no difference in the rape of a child and the rape of a woman (or man, though that's far less common). It is still the unwanted invasion of their body, it is still violation. The age of the victim is in my opinion of no concequence, rape is rape.
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:02 pm
megalomaniac-freak -Resurrected Writer- I tend to resist the need for revenge. It should just be necessary to be strong and move on. The only excusable circumstances for revenge: *Murder *Rape *Child rape (especially) **not to lessen your opinion, or offend** Why is child rape "especially"? I hold all three of those crimes with equal revulsion, true, we in this society hold childhood as an age of innocence an purity, and sexual activity and rape in particular as seen as an "end" to these concepts, but, I see no difference in the rape of a child and the rape of a woman (or man, though that's far less common). It is still the unwanted invasion of their body, it is still violation. The age of the victim is in my opinion of no concequence, rape is rape. I list it as especially, because it has a much higher probability of ruining someone for life. A victim of rape later in life will definitely feel the effects for a long period of time, but a younger victim holds those things for longer, and in most cases, the perpetrator is someone close to the child. As such, with continued assaults, it has the possibility of the kid thinking that it's perfectly fine.
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:32 am
i am a firm believer in the concept of vengeance, and i'm far too embittered towards people to show mercy. so the best vengeance is a slow and painful death.
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:08 pm
-Resurrected Writer- I list it as especially, because it has a much higher probability of ruining someone for life. A victim of rape later in life will definitely feel the effects for a long period of time, but a younger victim holds those things for longer, and in most cases, the perpetrator is someone close to the child. As such, with continued assaults, it has the possibility of the kid thinking that it's perfectly fine. Hm, that's a very valid point. Damnit, that's messing with the "rape is rape" ethos. However, repeated attacks is slightly differnet to a single attack. If an adult is repeatedly attacked, such as in a domestic violence/domination situation, the damage can be just as profound as the situation you brought up. Even so, I do not wish to place more 'value' to a crime in means of punishment, as once you do that it has a tendency to 'devalue' other crimes, and leads to the situation we have now, where these crimes are seen as less important to some, and so justice is rarely handed out. *I'm not saying that society as a whole does not view these crimes as unimportant, just the justice system in evidence by its statistics. (go look at them. I know the ones for rape and sexual assault - in 2002/3 in england and wales, 6% of the reported offences got a conviction. 6%. That's of reported crimes, a hell of a lot more go unreported, but that 6% says a lot, so don't say that rape is valued by the justice system to me, its just not. If it were, there'd be a hell of a lot more convictions than there are right now.) I shall now step down from my soap box. redface sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:08 pm
DR490N i am a firm believer in the concept of vengeance, and i'm far too embittered towards people to show mercy. so the best vengeance is a slow and painful death. ...I can think of some better ways to punish people, that don't end in death. Well, not for a very, very long time.
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:41 pm
Ah, revenge.
Revenge is best served cold. Remember this.
When something angers and infuriates you, calm down. Can you calm down? When you do calm down, past that initial rage, does it still seem like it needs to be done, this revenge?
If so, then do it. Remove all emotion from how you will, and enact it. And then when all is over and done with, be sure to cover all your tracks. Revenge has been dealt, punishment has been exacted, and all is well in the world again.
Personally, 99% of things done to me are so minimal that once I'm done being pissed off I don't have much of a reason to get back at them. The 1% of things, though, that have pissed me off enough to seek vengeance make people wish they never pissed me off to begin with.
Because I'm bad, horrible, and mean with my tactics. For instance, my little sister came home once crying her a** off, because two girls had started to kick her a** and all anybody did was watch and laugh. THAT is wrong.
So, I found out the names of the two girls, and the three or four guys watching, and contacted them all to meet up at a parking lot. When they got there, I had myself and a group of friends paintball them until they were bruised all over.
Not to mention I sneaked away from the commotion, and removed the license plates from their cars, keyed the exteriors, and popped their tires. By the time they got done paintballing them, I was back. They all went to their cars, and we headed out. They never knew it was us: we all had Halloween masks on.
One of the two girls apparently got hit by the paintballs in her stomach multiple times, so bad she had to remove her piercing there because it had reopened and began to bleed.
THAT's revenge.
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:58 am
Revenge is a useless act.
Not only does it make you just as pathetic as the person who originally wronged you, but it also doesn't make you feel any better in the end.
To me, revenge is only for the immature.
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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:29 am
revange is not always the solution. it will only lead to greater conflict. i know how u feel, but belief me, it is not worth it. besides, you dont want to get in trouble now do you
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:35 am
bloodyandrea revange is not always the solution. it will only lead to greater conflict. i know how u feel, but belief me, it is not worth it. besides, you dont want to get in trouble now do you I know Izzie, I asure you it would be worth any kind of trouble. Its one of those extreme cases of revenge that in a better society would be able to be sorted out through the criminal justice system. However, we don't live in Utopia and its a pipe dream anyway so mob rule is the only kind of justice available. I think a better subject line for this would be, if something really horrific, such as murder, torture, rape etc, the extreme injustices in life, you had no way of getting any punishment for this person, would you take it upon yourself to gain revenge/justice for yourself, or even a freind?
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