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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 1:00 am
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Thanks kindly.
Ok, for now, a review of the rules. These should be the same rules as before, more or less. (If I left out something, tell me and I'll edit.) In no particular order....
A) No more than 2 questions at a time. Otherwise, the thread gets confusing. Once an answer has been confirmed as correct, or has been "assimilated" (answered by the asker, thus closing it out), a slot has been freed up for the next question.
B) Once a question has been answered, please do not re-answer it, especially once we've moved on a few pages.
C) Please quote the question you're answering in the answer. (This makes it easier for everyone to follow the questions and answers.) Please quote the answer when you're confirming it's correct.
D) Question subjects: A question must be "fair". "Fair" is defined, for this thread, as follows: The answer must be one that a normal human could reasonably be expected to remember from a normal viewing of the episode or movie, so long as he was paying attention. If it requires slow tracking, rewinding, or freezeframing, it is not "fair". Furthermore, I shall repeat: it must be from an episode or movie. If it was from any other source, it is not "fair". (This includes a book based on an episode-if the question is on something that was not in the episode, but was in the book, it is not "fair".)
E) With each question, give some indication of the "edition" of Trek it refers to. If it would spoil the question to give the specific version (Voyager, DS9) or movie (#5, #6), give some indication that at least limits the question somewhat. Does it pertain to the original crew from the Original Series? How about the NextGen crew?
F) Each question should have a definite answer, not an opinion. Thus, "Which Captain grew a beard and shaved his head?" is a fair question, but "Which is the best Captain?" is not.
G) "The First Duty of any Starfleet Officer is to the truth." We are on the Honor System here. The person asking the question may-and SHOULD-look up the answer to confirm it, or before counting an answer wrong. (There may be more than one correct answer, or the question may be wrong, and the answer may correct it.)
No person who is trying to answer a trivia question may look up the answer in any way (including asking someone else the answer.) The sole exception to this is "the whims of fate": if a question is asked, and the episode or movie in question just happens to appear on a tv broadcast, it is acceptable to watch it, then answer. (No other incident will qualify-if you have it on tape, that would be cheating.) If you saw the episode BEFORE reading the question, for any reason, that is also acceptable, and falls under "the whims of fate".
If you MUST look up the answer or go mad, and you find it, you must excuse yourself from answering the question.
H) It's only a game. Dont go nuts over it. We're not even keeping score. Be polite to each other.
I) If you break a rule, anyone may prompt you-NICELY. Consider what they say-NICELY. If a crewmember-noncom or officer-gives you a warning, heed it. You may attempt a VERY polite appeal from a different one. If you do not heed the crew, you run the risk of being jabbed with a painstick. xd
J) You may not complain how long-winded the rules have gotten- the new phrasing is based on past groundrules. smile
K) If you know all the answers, try to give the others a shot at them. If you're a real trivia whiz, give them TWO (2) days, 48 hours. If your question has not been answered within 7 days, please assimilate it, and give the answer.
=============== Ready? Let's go!
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 1:33 am
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 4:53 am
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Steel Sterling NEW question! === This is a NextGen question. Picard had to spend part of an episode trying to unravel the way the Children of Tama communicated when they spoke. He had to work out different phrases-what concept each conveyed to the Children of Tama. What concept did each of the following convey? A) "Darmok and Julad at Tenagra." B) "Shaka, when the walls fell." C)"Timba, his arms wide." D) "Sucath, his eyes uncovered!" E) "Picard and Datha at El-Ardril." Three out of five, or better, to respond please. smile
A) Darmok & Julad at Tenagra I believe is the Children of Tama's main religious belief. Whenever the Children of Tama captain tried to explain to Picard what they were doing, I always got the belief it was like a religious belief/myth of their people, about how Darmok & Julad, two Children of Tama, met up in a city called Tenagra, fought together side by side, and became the best of friends.
B) Shaka, when the walls fell refers to defeat or death. When the Children of Tama on the ship, asked Picard where Datha was, he said "Shaka, when the walls fell." Hence the death reference. Whenever Datha tried to convey to Picard that if he didn't follow Datha's strategy in fighting that invisible creature, he always said "Shaka, when the walls fell" meaning they'd be defeated and killed.
C) Timba, his arms wide, refers to yet another mythological character of the Tama religious beliefs. Tama was a very generous and compassionate leader/person and always welcomed new friends with wide open arms, hence "Timba, his arms wide". Datha tried to tell Picard that he considered Picard an equal, a comrade when he said "Timba, his arms wide" telling him he was welcome to share what Datha had brought to the planet (the fire, his rations, etc).
D) Sucath, his eyes uncovered (although I think that should be unfurled, althought I don't know why), is basically the Tama way of saying "He finally gets it!" aka, someone finally understands.
E) The planet Picard and Datha were on is known a El-Ardril. Since this was a First Contact situation for the Federation, the Tama wanted that the Federation and their people have a story to tell their descendants, basically a modern day version of "Darmok & Julad at Tenagra".
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:29 am
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Matiko-san Steel Sterling NEW question! === This is a NextGen question. Picard had to spend part of an episode trying to unravel the way the Children of Tama communicated when they spoke. He had to work out different phrases-what concept each conveyed to the Children of Tama. What concept did each of the following convey? A) "Darmok and Julad at Tenagra." B) "Shaka, when the walls fell." C)"Timba, his arms wide." D) "Sucath, his eyes uncovered!" E) "Picard and Datha at El-Ardril." Three out of five, or better, to respond please. smile A) Darmok & Julad at Tenagra I believe is the Children of Tama's main religious belief. Whenever the Children of Tama captain tried to explain to Picard what they were doing, I always got the belief it was like a religious belief/myth of their people, about how Darmok & Julad, two Children of Tama, met up in a city called Tenagra, fought together side by side, and became the best of friends. B) Shaka, when the walls fell refers to defeat or death. When the Children of Tama on the ship, asked Picard where Datha was, he said "Shaka, when the walls fell." Hence the death reference. Whenever Datha tried to convey to Picard that if he didn't follow Datha's strategy in fighting that invisible creature, he always said "Shaka, when the walls fell" meaning they'd be defeated and killed. C) Timba, his arms wide, refers to yet another mythological character of the Tama religious beliefs. Tama was a very generous and compassionate leader/person and always welcomed new friends with wide open arms, hence "Timba, his arms wide". Datha tried to tell Picard that he considered Picard an equal, a comrade when he said "Timba, his arms wide" telling him he was welcome to share what Datha had brought to the planet (the fire, his rations, etc). D) Sucath, his eyes uncovered (although I think that should be unfurled, althought I don't know why), is basically the Tama way of saying "He finally gets it!" aka, someone finally understands. E) The planet Picard and Datha were on is known a El-Ardril. Since this was a First Contact situation for the Federation, the Tama wanted that the Federation and their people have a story to tell their descendants, basically a modern day version of "Darmok & Julad at Tenagra".
CORRECT!
(Please note what I said about giving everyone else a chance, tho- Rule K. They're gonna need a headstart if you can answer everything.)
A) "Darmok and Julad at Tenagra." Captain Datha slowly explained this one to Picard, and Picard translated for the audience. Darmok on the ocean. Julad on the ocean. Darmok at Tenagra., Julad at Tenagra. The beast at Tenagra. Darmok and Julad on the ocean. In English, Darmok and Julad were total strangers. They both arrived on the island Tenagra. They fought the beast, and a common bond was forged thru a shared hardship. (This happens among soldiers who fight side-by-side, often.) When they left the island, they left together as friends. That was the legend that Datha used as his model for this encounter. He hoped to forge a common bond thru fighting the creature at El-Ardril side-by-side with Picard.
B) "Shaka, when the walls fell." This signified "failure". When Captain Dotha was unable to make himself clear to Picard, Dotha said this. When Picard was unsuccessful in making his fire, Dotha said this as a comment. When the El-Ardril creature wounded Dotha, he said this. The Star Trek:CCG has a card, "Shaka, when the walls fell." This card is wrong-it says that refers to a failure to communicate. (What about the fire and the fight, then?)
C) "Timba, his arms wide." Dotha said this when offering Picard a knife, and when offering to share his campfire with Captain Picard.
D)"Sucath, his eyes uncovered!" Dotha said this when Picard understood him completely. It signifies understanding.
E) "Picard and Dotha at El-Ardril". When the first contact was a success, having followed the pattern Dotha chose, and Picard understood their language, the new captain said this. It signified the same thing as "Darmak and Julad at Tenagra." It also meant this mission was a success, and would enter their language as another metaphor, commemorating it.
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 12:46 pm
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:06 pm
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:29 pm
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:54 pm
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:57 pm
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:38 pm
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 8:31 pm
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Steel Sterling Thanks kindly. Ok, for now, a review of the rules. These should be the same rules as before, more or less. (If I left out something, tell me and I'll edit.) In no particular order....
D) Question subjects: A question must be "fair". "Fair" is defined, for this thread, as follows: The answer must be one that a normal human could reasonably be expected to remember from a normal viewing of the episode or movie, so long as he was paying attention. If it requires slow tracking, rewinding, or freezeframing, it is not "fair". Furthermore, I shall repeat: it must be from an episode or movie. If it was from any other source, it is not "fair". (This includes a book based on an episode-if the question is on something that was not in the episode, but was in the book, it is not "fair".).... I know this is and old issue for me but I would like to have the "no book rule" reconsidered seing as how on avrage MOST (over 50%) star trek fans read the books, also alot of review on the series' to make up the questions can easily be found in the star trek encyclopedia. As a side note all of the star trek books published by Pocket Books has been introduced into the Star Trek time line...
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 8:45 pm
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kyle stabell Steel Sterling Thanks kindly. Ok, for now, a review of the rules. These should be the same rules as before, more or less. (If I left out something, tell me and I'll edit.) In no particular order....
D) Question subjects: A question must be "fair". "Fair" is defined, for this thread, as follows: The answer must be one that a normal human could reasonably be expected to remember from a normal viewing of the episode or movie, so long as he was paying attention. If it requires slow tracking, rewinding, or freezeframing, it is not "fair". Furthermore, I shall repeat: it must be from an episode or movie. If it was from any other source, it is not "fair". (This includes a book based on an episode-if the question is on something that was not in the episode, but was in the book, it is not "fair".)....I know this is and old issue for me but I would like to have the "no book rule" reconsidered seing as how on avrage MOST (over 50%) star trek fans read the books, also alot of review on the series' to make up the questions can easily be found in the star trek encyclopedia. As a side note all of the star trek books published by Pocket Books has been introduced into the Star Trek time line...
Books are non-canon, they don't count.
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Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 10:30 pm
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Matiko-san kyle stabell Steel Sterling Thanks kindly. Ok, for now, a review of the rules. These should be the same rules as before, more or less. (If I left out something, tell me and I'll edit.) In no particular order....
D) Question subjects: A question must be "fair". "Fair" is defined, for this thread, as follows: The answer must be one that a normal human could reasonably be expected to remember from a normal viewing of the episode or movie, so long as he was paying attention. If it requires slow tracking, rewinding, or freezeframing, it is not "fair". Furthermore, I shall repeat: it must be from an episode or movie. If it was from any other source, it is not "fair". (This includes a book based on an episode-if the question is on something that was not in the episode, but was in the book, it is not "fair".)....I know this is and old issue for me but I would like to have the "no book rule" reconsidered seing as how on avrage MOST (over 50%) star trek fans read the books, also alot of review on the series' to make up the questions can easily be found in the star trek encyclopedia. As a side note all of the star trek books published by Pocket Books has been introduced into the Star Trek time line... Books are non-canon, they don't count. Plus, half is not the Majority. And I only read the DS9 and Voyager Books, I don't have enough Lifetime to read through all teh TOS books, I would much prefer going through R.A. Salvatores collection first, anyway.
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 4:32 am
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The one thing that unites us all in this guild is a love for the Star Trek tv series' and books.
Not all of us have ACCESS to the books. Not all of us can AFFORD the books, timewise or moneywise. This method favours those who spend money over the fan who doesn't.
I've read the Chronology and Nitpicker's Guides, and a bit more. That's what interested me.
It's tough enough to have seen ALL the shows and movies. To have read all the books is too much to ask. I COULD really open the field and pose questions on the cartoon series, which WAS released by PARAMOUNT. However, it would be unfair for the same reason.
Finally, the ground rule established by the Great Bird of the Galaxy himself, Gene Roddenberry, is that the books are non-canonical. Far be it from me to overrule the Great Bird of the Galaxy.
As an additional note, I'd like to point out a philosophical problem with adding the books. Star Trek, from the beginning, operated with the assumption that the earth would settle the differences between countries and they'd learn to play nice with each other. Star Trek fans come from all over the world, not just the USA. Gaia Online members come from all over the world, not just the USA. Many countries have limited access to the books, or charge large amounts for the translations if you CAN find them. Shall we now ghettoize our fellow fans? They're already making the sacrifice of reading and posting in English- or using translation programs for doing the same. I'm NOT ready to do this.
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2004 4:34 am
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