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Goth?
Yeah!
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Total Votes : 36


Kiyama

PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:53 pm


Admit it
Despite your pseudo-bohemian appearance
That vaguely leftist doctrine of beliefs
You know nothing about art or sex
That you couldn’t read in any trendy New York underground fashion magazine
Prototypical non-conformist
You are a vacuous soldier of the thrift store Gestapo
You adhere to a set of standards and tastes
That appear to be determined by an unseen panel of hipster judges (bullshit)
Giving a thumbs up or thumbs down to incoming and outgoing trends and styles of music and art
Go analog baby, you’re so post-modern
You’re diving face forward into an antiquated path
It’s disgusting, its offensive don’t stick your nose up at me

Yeah, what do you have to say for yourself?!

You spend your time sitting in circles with your friends
Pontificating to each other forever competing for that one moment of self aggrandizing glory
In which you hog the intellectual spotlight
Holding dominion over the entire shallow pointless conversation
Oh we’re not worthy!
When you walk by a group of quote unquote "normal people"
You chuckle to yourself patting yourself on the back as you scoff -
It's the same superiority complex
Shared by the high school jocks who made your life a living hell
And it makes you a slave to the competitive capitalist dogma
That you spend every moment of your waking life bitching about

Yeah, what do you have to say for yourself?!

Cause I’m proud of my life and the things that I have done
Proud of myself and the loner I’ve become
You’re free to whine, it will not get you far
I do just fine, my car and my guitar

Proud of my life and the things that I have done
Proud of myself and the loner I’ve become
You’re free to whine, it will not get you far
I do just fine, my car and my guitar, yeah

"Well let me tell you this, I am shamelessly self-involved
I spend hours in front of the mirror, making my hair elegantly disheveled
I worry about how this album will sell
Because I believe that it will determine the amount of sex I will have in the future
I self medicate with drugs and alcohol to treat my extreme social anxiety"

You are a faker (admit it)
You are a fraud (admit it)
Yeah, you’re living a lie (hey) living a lie (hey) your life is living a lie
You don’t impress me (admit it)
You don’t intimidate me (admit it)
Why don’t you bow down, get on the ground, walk this ******** plank

Yeah, what do you have to say for yourself?!

I’m proud of my life and the things that I have done
Proud of myself and the loner I’ve become
You’re free to whine, it will not get you far

And I am done with this
I wanna taste the breeze of every great city
My car and my guitar, my car and my guitar
So you've come to me, made of these, urgent unfulfilled
Oh no no no no no
When I'm dead I'll rest
When I'm I'll rest, I'll lay still
When I'm dead I'll rest, I'll rest


..And this is all I have to say to all of the stupid little kids who think it is "cool!" to be goth...It's a mindset...not a clothing line..Get over yourself...
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:47 pm


i'm not trying to be anything......i am me...
the me that i am is closely related to three groups (goths, punks, and rivetheads) so i refer to myself in those terms

ketchakik


-Resurrected Writer-
Crew

PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:56 pm


Well, I'm 15 - hope I don't fit into the "stupid little kids" category you're setting up xd

Anyway, I hardly fall into any of those things... definitely not a superiority complex or a whiner or worrying myself with getting some a**, but I admit to spending a bit of time in front of the mirror to fluff my hair sweatdrop and true, I don't know much about sex... while knowing just a handful of things about art.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:08 pm


1) I didn't read this, only skimmed, but I got the jist of it all.

and...

2) This will probably be locked for being a rant and not an actual topic.

nerdlover08


TheWitchGotRobin

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:03 am


At this point in my life I can't relate to any of that. My past doesn't either, in fact.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:41 am


*claps* an impresive rant, but you do know that you just sound like a whining self-apointed loner? There's nothing wrong with the awkward teenage years, just because even these people most likely slighted you is no reason to hold a grudge, get over it before you become a festering quagmire of hate and loathing, its not a good place to be.

megalomaniac-freak


Scott Ritter

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:05 pm


Kiyama
Admit it
Despite your pseudo-bohemian appearance
That vaguely leftist doctrine of beliefs
You know nothing about art or sex
That you couldn’t read in any trendy New York underground fashion magazine
Prototypical non-conformist
You are a vacuous soldier of the thrift store Gestapo
You adhere to a set of standards and tastes
That appear to be determined by an unseen panel of hipster judges (bullshit)
Giving a thumbs up or thumbs down to incoming and outgoing trends and styles of music and art
Go analog baby, you’re so post-modern
You’re diving face forward into an antiquated path
It’s disgusting, its offensive don’t stick your nose up at me

Yeah, what do you have to say for yourself?!

You spend your time sitting in circles with your friends
Pontificating to each other forever competing for that one moment of self aggrandizing glory
In which you hog the intellectual spotlight
Holding dominion over the entire shallow pointless conversation
Oh we’re not worthy!
When you walk by a group of quote unquote "normal people"
You chuckle to yourself patting yourself on the back as you scoff -
It's the same superiority complex
Shared by the high school jocks who made your life a living hell
And it makes you a slave to the competitive capitalist dogma
That you spend every moment of your waking life bitching about

Yeah, what do you have to say for yourself?!

Cause I’m proud of my life and the things that I have done
Proud of myself and the loner I’ve become
You’re free to whine, it will not get you far
I do just fine, my car and my guitar

Proud of my life and the things that I have done
Proud of myself and the loner I’ve become
You’re free to whine, it will not get you far
I do just fine, my car and my guitar, yeah

"Well let me tell you this, I am shamelessly self-involved
I spend hours in front of the mirror, making my hair elegantly disheveled
I worry about how this album will sell
Because I believe that it will determine the amount of sex I will have in the future
I self medicate with drugs and alcohol to treat my extreme social anxiety"

You are a faker (admit it)
You are a fraud (admit it)
Yeah, you’re living a lie (hey) living a lie (hey) your life is living a lie
You don’t impress me (admit it)
You don’t intimidate me (admit it)
Why don’t you bow down, get on the ground, walk this ******** plank

Yeah, what do you have to say for yourself?!

I’m proud of my life and the things that I have done
Proud of myself and the loner I’ve become
You’re free to whine, it will not get you far

And I am done with this
I wanna taste the breeze of every great city
My car and my guitar, my car and my guitar
So you've come to me, made of these, urgent unfulfilled
Oh no no no no no
When I'm dead I'll rest
When I'm I'll rest, I'll lay still
When I'm dead I'll rest, I'll rest


..And this is all I have to say to all of the stupid little kids who think it is "cool!" to be goth...It's a mindset...not a clothing line..Get over yourself...


wahmbulance
Did you write that
it reads like the lyrics to a song
or a bad poem

I may not be able to tell you things about art but I could tell you things about sex that would make you second guess your own desires

I don't buy my clothes from hot topic and half the time i don't wear black as I have too little energy to bother because of depression (the clinical kind not that idiotic pseudo- depression of the poseur masses)

I don't have enough friends to pontificate over anything and i certainly don't care to

I am far from a leftist, I am a pro-life anti-capitalist totalitarian hellbent on revolution and resolution

and how are you different from the masses you insult, why are you proud of your life, what have accomplished aside from social detachment and a level of alienation thats not uncommon

but look at you, you can rant right along with your car and your guitar, your car and your guitar

get over yourself others can rant too
wahmbulance
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:07 pm


you have said what I've said for years, as for my fashion yeah its all back. a tanktop with jeans. Easy to fight in. Thats how my fashions based.

Hunter of the Dammed


-Lasciate Ogni Speranza-

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:04 pm


Admit what? That I sometimes identify with people like me, shop where I please, listen to what I please and do as I please? Stopping by Hot Topic is not illegal. Too expensive for me, usually, but not illegal. Wearing black if I choose to is not illegal- nor practical because it's too hot in my state. I could tell you about art and literature because that's who I am and what I'm interested in. I could tell you about sex because my friends send me disturbing things over the Internet.

What do I have to say for myself? This is me. As "poser"-ish as it might seem, these are my tastes, this is my personality.

Alright. I've admitted it.

Now admit that this whole thing is rather childish.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:05 pm


Whether or not it's a mindset is quite arguable.

Many argue that goth is (and always has been) about the music. In that, a goth is simply a fan of goth-rock, no matter their appearance or behaviors.

None the less, it's well written. A bit ranting at times, but the word choice is exceptional, as is the general style. The transitions could be a bit smoother, but otherwise, is well written. Also, as others have said, it does come across as a bit condescending.

GilAskan
Crew


Elochai Sammael

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:31 pm


I'm not really leftist, I'd rather just overthrow the whole ******** political system by any means necessary, even to the point of exteme violence and even execution/turture if it comes to it. I don't know much about what you might consider "art", but I can draw pretty well, mainly flash-type artwork, though. I probly know more about sex than anyone else I know. Most of their "knowledge" about it is 1) it causes babies 2) it spreads diseases and viruse 3) it's fun. I don't try to outwit my friends because now that Trent moved, there's no one in my "circle" of friends that's even remotely intellectual so most of our conversations are nothing but banter anymore. The last thing I bought at Hot Topic was a sketch book or my sister because most everything is too expensive. I have a Metallica shirt that I bought there like two years ago, but that's it; most of my clothes come from Wal-Mart, and aren't black. My favorite band is Pink Floyd, hardly gothic at all. Yes I listen to "Metal" but I like grunge and mellow music better. I think the only "goth" music I have is a Slipknot cd, a Black Sabbath cd, and a Metallica cd; alltogether, just over two hours worth of music. I have over 5 times that in bands like Tool, Alice in Chains, and Nirvana.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:39 pm


Odin The Accursed
I'm not really leftist, I'd rather just overthrow the whole ******** political system by any means necessary, even to the point of exteme violence and even execution/turture if it comes to it.


That's actually very leftist. Hard left, is the term. Hard left is anarchy/revolutionary, whereas hard right is fascist/dictatorial.

Odin The Accursed
I think the only "goth" music I have is a Slipknot cd, a Black Sabbath cd, and a Metallica cd


Not goth, at all. Check out our very own Goth Music 101 thread, or my Goth-rock thread, which has unfortunately been chatterboxed. Either way, you'll find a lot of valuable and reliable information on goth-rock, and the history of goth itself.

GilAskan
Crew


DarkPhsycotic

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:50 pm


Hmm, I cant find onne thing that relates to me there.
Being some 100% metal head, hottopic loving whiner kid aint a sin.
I am leftist though, but not a total anarchist.
I do know much about sex, probably more than society thins a 14 year old should know.
I do listen to metal, but I also like bauhaus, joy division, souixsie and the banshees (some), and I do listen to softer rock.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:34 pm


....hmm.....perhaps you should admit something yourself because of your judgements of others......last I knew when you judge another you are insecure about yourself.......

....as for me.....I am who I am...I put no label on myself, no tag, not even a name....I am Overlord, and that is who I am....nothing more, nothing less........although others may give me a title, it is not my own.....I determine who I am, not what I am called.....


....think of my words young one....

OverlordMMM


Veruniel
Crew

PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:15 am


I know you've labeled this post as a response to people who try to be 'goth' because they think it makes them cool. I assume you're not talking to every single person involved in the subculture. But by naming the thread the way you did and ranting as if you were addessing everyone who would read this, you've made it seem like you're attacking the whole guild and everyone in it.

I'm left to wonder... did you want us to feel like we were all under attack? Are you deliberately trying to antagonise us?

And if this is what you have to say, you could have used your own words instead of lifting lyrics from Say Anything.
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