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 Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:21 am
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As it goes, yaoi comics created by Westerners is becoming quite popular, so we can rejoice in the fact that people closer to home are giving us yaoi goodness which we don't have to wait to be translated and imported and licensed! Yay! 4laugh Although Japanese yaoi rules too, of course... blaugh
A question on my mind is that Japan has yaoi anime. America and Europe have their own version of yaoi manga, but none yet on TV. Yaoi anime is mostly created from existing manga, but they are still done into animation. How come there aren't any slash cartoons in the Western world yet? Are we not ready for that big step, to see Western animated characters of the same sex kissing on TV? I mean, they could add that on Adult Swim or something, no? (I've never watched Adult Swim, by the way, so if this wouldn't apply, forgive me sweatdrop ) Most gay characters in Western shows are used as parodies or homosexual stereotypes, but is there no North American or European cartoon exploring the love lives of two men?
Discuss: - Western yaoi/shounen-ai cartoons? (Or should it be called slash? Unless that is only used for same-sex pairings of live-action shows and movies) Would you watch them? (I know I would! wink )
- Any Western yaoi manga you would like to see converted to animation? (like Dany and Dany's work? I love them! *_*)
- Are there any such cartoons I've just never heard about? sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:00 pm
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I think what western networks are worried about is how the population all together will see it. The maturity in lots of western children isn't the best it could be. Stations aren't worried about children seeing extremely breasted women, or Naruto's sexy jutsu, but they do get rid of the 3 second kiss in episode three.
Most kids are like, sex, naked women, no problem. Boys kissing, animated or not however, is a talk2hand nono. I personally would love to see Off*Beat turned into an anime. It's a really cute story about two new yorkers. And since the manga is so short, I beleive by the time it's long enough to made into an anime, America will have jumped that hump, and will show yaoi animes. I hpe so anyway sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:49 pm
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It is a huge step, I think. I mean, we don't exactly see it as a big deal but other people do; they see it as a huge deal. It's all about what the kids will take from it.
The cartoon Static Shock, for example, has long since been canceled -- but it was originally based on a comic called 'Static' by Wayne McDuffie. Static, or Virgil, has a large group of friends, his best friend being Frieda and one of his other friends being Richard "Rick" Stone. Richard later in the series came out and admitted that he was homosexual, and it was a whole series of issues in which Virgil has to put aside his discomfort with it and mature as a character.
In the cartoon Static Shock, Virgil's best friend is a combination of Frieda and Rick, his name being Richie. His looks are based off of Anthony Rapp, and Wayne McDuffie says himself that in his oppinion, Richie is gay -- but it was not allowed to be brought up in the series because it's an American children's cartoon.
Personally, I think it would have been great if it could have been brought up in the cartoon. Static Shock handled a lot of hard-hitting issues that young children could benefit from learning about, like racism. Imagine, you're a kid, and you really like this super hero named Gear on this show Static Shock, and then tonight there's an episode where you learn he's homosexual. Oh my God, a gay super hero? Well then, it must be okay!
I don't see where it could be considered a bad idea, personally. But for some reason they keep finding reasons to destroy any hint of such content anywhere, like in, somebody mentioned above me, Naruto. I guess it's just something America'll have to learn to accept.
Eventually.
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:24 pm
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:48 am
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 3:20 am
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Yaoi is a niche within a niche. It's not as big as people like to think it is. It's not as accepted outside of anime as people would like. It's popular with anime fangirls, but in the great wide world, it's nothing more than gay comics. Outside of Japan, I imagine that animating such a story would be incredibly hard. For one, it's expensive and time consuming and you'd have to have some promise of profit. Without profit, there's no project.
I know that there's been a few yaoi flash animation projects that do exist. There is the very very awful anime/yaoi spoof Samurai Fantasy.
Also, Joe Phillips, a well known gay comic artist has produced two animated videos, which he admits were expensive and time consuming. The first film was animated with flash, the second was a 3-d endeavor. Both are rated NC-17, are not available to minors for obvious reasons and are also not allowed to be sold in some states.
The audience for both of these is very limited. The only people it would possibly interest is the gay community or squealing fangirls. Let's face it, squealing fangirls don't always have lots of money to throw around, so again, that cuts down on the biggest thing, profit.
Another problem is that homosexuality is not really accepted. It's tolerated to a certain extent, but it is by no means embraced. People don't want the icky gay infecting their children. At this year's Super Bowl, after Prince's half-time show with a guitar that was slightly phallic (as pretty much every long object is) complaints were received about how this image turned one viewer's son gay and ruined his life or some such nonsense. Having a cartoon with even a whiff of serious homosexuality (as opposed to the kind used for mocking humor) would have parents such as those, out for blood.
That brings me to another point, we have yet to have any sort of large scale attack on the genre. In the past, parents have flipped out over the content of mature manga. What happens when a clueless parent finally figures out what their kid is reading? What happens when someone finally realizes that their precious kidlet is sitting in a bookstore reading pornographic material that they so carelessly ripped the shrinkwrap off of? There will be backlash against yaoi. It hasn't happened yet, but it will. In such a delicately balanced genre, I think that it's best we don't tempt fate by demanding more animated material. There's more than enough manga to go around, so just kick back and enjoy what you have.
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:28 am
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:59 pm
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:50 pm
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:28 am
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:53 am
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{When snow melts,
[♪]
Also, Adult Swim is a humor network, correct?
They would have to use a VERY humourous storyline for it even to be considered. That... or a downright stupid storyline (Futurama, Family Guy... etc.)
Even then, the US is just not ready to take any yaoi. It would be amazing if we got our own yaoi channel, however. Although, it would probably be more like a hard core pr0n channel, not our fluff. >.<
Just as an example of how badly the US would take gayness, remember that whole scandal with that "Arthur" knockoff show, "Buster's Travels" or summat? That whole big deal on PBS when Buster went to the house of a person with 2 mothers? And how the show got PULLED off the air?
It just wouldn't work.
[♪]
what does it become?}
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:39 pm
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 12:43 pm
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:41 pm
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