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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:56 am
Okay, I've been thinking about this for a while. I often like yaoi ships from series that don't have any canon BL, so fanfiction and fanart would have to be a little out of the canon just to put them together. For example, FMA. Everyone like RoyxEd, right? But we all know well and good that, no matter how great it would be, they never make out in the series, they don't get together, and their really isn't anything implying that they are GOING to get together in the future. So, if we have them in those situations in fanfics and whatnot, it's going a bit out of canon. That's fine with me. What's NOT fine with me is when the fandom goes so far beyond the canon that I can hardly reconize the characters.
Here's an example: I love Dragon Quest 8, and I loooove MarcelloxAngelo. So, I'm looking for j-fan art on line, and I find a nice site that has really pretty art....but the way the characters are portrayed is really off. Marcello is being sweet and gentle with Angelo, and Angelo is acting like some shy little virgin....wait, what? Are we talking about the same game? Cause in the game I played, Marcello is harsh and cold with pretty much everyone, ESPECIALLY Angelo, and Angelo is a bit of a whore and loves to complain about Marcello. They've got a long, dark, complicated history together, and really, it would be amazing if they were able to stay in the same room for five minutes without fighting. I can't see them being in a happy, sugar-coated relationship. It would be totally out of character for them both.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that in my book, canon and portraying the characters realistically should come before the artists or authors fantasies. And maybe I was especially annoyed with that example because I loved Marcello so much (I would totally go to church if he was the pope. I TOTALLY WOULD. heart )
What do you guys think? Do you like to see characters acting realistic according to how they were in the series/book/movie/game/whatever, or do you not really care as long as it's hot? wink Maybe I'm too picky...I dunno.
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:03 am
I tend to have the same kind of pickiness as you. I can't really stand it when characters that absolutely detest each other in a series are all of the sudden acting like the world's greatest lovers in a fanfic. I really, really like it if there's some hint of the character's original personality in the fanfic. I mean there's something called OOC and then there's just over the top. I don't mind OOC every once in a while but over the top upsets me.
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:33 am
I'm not too overly picky when it comes to this but I am picky. I like for the characters to be themselves...just in love with one another. Like Riku/Sora. They'd make a great couple just being themselves and I don't see how anyone would have a hard time putting them together without changing their personalities but I've seen it done. o_O Really. Sometimes I don't understand it. I'm not as picky on this with fanart as I am with fanfics though. It's one of the reasons I don't like rival pairings unless there's hints as well. Like on S-CRY-ED. That's about the only rival pairing I've ever liked. Otherwise I don't like to see people who hate each other portrayed as blushing lovers. XP
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:46 am
I honestly am not picky at all. I don't mind OOC-ness but I do get pissed when the characters don't act AT ALL like their canon selves.
Like when they turn Harry Potter into a goth/emo/punk who cuts himself. I mean, sure Harry gets kinda irritated and depressed in the book, but he doesn't suddenly wear goth makeup and listen to My Chemical Romance. I mean, PLEASE! D:< Have some respect for the characters!
But if they're slightly OOC, I don't mind, as not everyone can keep them in character as well as the original author, obviously.
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:59 pm
I like ones where the characters act like their normal selves, but every once in a while, if there is a fanfiction that was written really well, and is just adorable I wouldn't mind it so much, if they were a little out of character.
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:52 am
I don't really mind them being OOC until it continues like crazy then I change a different fanfiction because I prefer something with less changing attitude.(I meant OOC)
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:35 am
I know exactly what you mean, and you're not being picky, picky is prefering a situation where the characters DONT act like themselves. Like, for example, SasuNaru from Naruto. If I read one more fanfic where Naruto acts like a sweet, innocent little boy, a suicidal emo who cuts himself, or hates Sakura, I'll probably go nuts. I understand that it's cuter if he acts like a traditional uke, and probably the best fanart we have of that couple are the ones where he's submissive in this fashion, but he's NOT like that in canon. AT ALL. Naruto is loud and brash and crude and he thinks he is in love with Sakura, and he would never insult her or blame her for anything because he appreciates any attention he can get from her. It's in his nature to try and dominate -- his entire goal in the series is to be the best ninja Kohoha has to offer, but he even lowers himself to asking Sakura for help when she conquers her chakra with ease far faster than he or Sasuke does. That's a huge part of his character -- he would never lower himself like that for a lot of people, Sasuke included. On that note, if Naruto and Sasuke ever entered a romantic relationship, Naruto would not let Sasuke be on top without a struggle. And Naruto can put up a fight. He's not so much weaker than Sasuke that he can be pinned so easily, but for some reason in fanon he gives up very quickly. And then there's the emo thing. Now I can admit that Naruto is a pretty emotional character when we see the scenes where he introspects. But that's just it, in his mind he's a little depressed, but that's not all the time (in fact it's very rarely), and he doesn't outwardly show it unless he is alone or someone died or something. He doesn't cry often at all, not like he does in fanon. And one of the reasons I like Naruto so much is because he's so enthusiastic and charismatic and makes such a spectacle of himself. And he wouldn't cut himself, in fact the one time he stabbed himself in the palm with a kunai, he does it to prove he's strong enough to handle it, and winds up freaking out two minutes later. Naruto is a strong character mentally. He's not so fragile that he'd disgrace himself by cutting.
I think the problem is that when a person likes a character enough, they try to incorperate themselves into that character or live that character up to the author/artist's ideal. But if you change a character's entire personality, you might as well have just written an original fiction, especially if that story is also an AU. I would never recognize Naruto in fanfiction if they didn't put a name on him. And that's a shame. =(
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:45 pm
I tend to be rather picky about that sort of thing. I prefer it when the characters are themselves, and when people do the whole change from just as an example the cold, hard attitude to the gentle, fun-loving kind of guy I get so angry. Like with Yuki and Shuichi from Gravitation. I love that couple so much, but when I read a fanfiction with them in it and Yuki has a personality like Shuichi....I just get so aggrivated. ><
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:10 pm
Ks-gun-girl I tend to be rather picky about that sort of thing. I prefer it when the characters are themselves, and when people do the whole change from just as an example the cold, hard attitude to the gentle, fun-loving kind of guy I get so angry. Like with Yuki and Shuichi from Gravitation. I love that couple so much, but when I read a fanfiction with them in it and Yuki has a personality like Shuichi....I just get so aggrivated. >< I hate that.... grr, that type of Yuki makes me want to bang my head against a stone wall. burning_eyes
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:51 pm
A little OOC and out of canon is expected. Characters that are seemingly straight falling in love with men is OOC. But that's fine, this is fandom and that's cool. Hell I can see characters who don't like each other falling in love (Jou/Kaiba for instance), within reason now. But I don't want to see them acting like completely different people to make this happen.
I blame this on three things:
1. Lack of imagination and creativity 2. Fangirls projecting their feelings and/or their/societies ideals on to the characters they're writing/drawing. (lots of forward slashes xd ) 3. The fangirls don’t understand the character they’re writing. I'm so tired of people confusing clueness with innocence.
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:21 pm
Do you like to see characters acting realistic according to how they were in the series/book/movie/game/whatever, or do you not really care as long as it's hot?
Yes i so agree i dont like it wen fan art is like that. It kind make me not get in to the story confused
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:45 pm
Like somebody else said, I have no problem with a bit of OOC tendencies. I'm biased, so I think what bugs me the most is when they take my favorite characters just *phht* ukefiy them so hard they make Shuichi Shindou look butch. Not cool, man. Not cool. And one of the patterns I have noticed too is when they make the supposedly uke character all, "Ahhn! Oh, [misc. Seme]-Sama! I love you!" and then the seme's like, "Shut the hell up." *sexsexsexsex* (Gasp, I think I just summarized Gravitation!) when it reality the "uke" character actually has a set and the seme character is capable of empathy or some other human emotion besides horny. What is it with a liking for unhealthy relationships in BL? Ah dun get eet.
Oh, Gravi, you're so easy to make fun of, it's a wonder I still love you.
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:10 pm
Mmeeeh. I prefer canon over fanon. Everytime a fandom pairing occurs, it usually gains mass popularity despite the fact there is absolutely no or very little homosexual tendancy to the characters (like in FMA and Kingdom Hearts)
And the characters get screwed up the worst in fanfiction. Like the kid in Kingdom Hearts gets turned into an overdramatic starry-eyed p***y. Especially in my friend's mind. Kills me, just kills me.
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 2:38 am
I'm totally in love with fandom. (Don't call me a fanfiction-whore, please? xD) I know that Riku won't get together with Sora, just because that lil' twit exists. burning_eyes A good written fanfic where they keep their personalities can save my day.
Err.. Now that I think about it...The only cannon couple I support are Sunao and Sora from Sukisho...
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:53 am
This expresses my opinion clearly. Kinda.
Bahaha. Not really. Some really good fics have cannon and fandom, and those make me squee.
But, then again, if I just want to read yaoi then fandom. But, if I want to read a story with a plot, then really both are lovely, but cannon usually wins.
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