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Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 2:54 pm
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:23 am
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:58 am
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:59 am
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:38 am
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TeaDidikai I tend to think of it more as a function of wording intention. I have seen incantations ten to twenty pages long decribing what I would sum up in a single sentence
Ah, the "I'm not doing magic, I'm trying to write an unabusable djinn wish" kind of thing. Even as a ceremonial student, that bugs me. The person doing the working should have a clear vision of what they're trying to accomplish, but then they don't need all the epic liturgy. However, I can see it might be valued by those whose imaginations aren't so strong. Raw beginners and people who haven't had a decent training in meditation may find detailed liturgy very helpful in getting a grasp on their intent. Liturgy should only be used as a place to begin, I think. It's best used as a way to become familiar with the finer points of ritual or spellwork. As a person gains knowledge of themselves, understanding of magic's limits and potential, and a better familiarity with their god(s), they should be able to focus on their intent without making enormous speeches about it. Unless a god or tradition stands on the utmost formality and grand drama, I fail to see why long incantations should be adhered to for entire length of one's lifetime practice.
As far as how well the twain do meet, I have little experience or observation to draw on. What I have seen hasn't gone well, though. I was briefly a student in an eclectic coven that had ceremonialists, naturalists, animists, one magician who worked entirely on mental planes (never did hear whether or not it worked for him), shamans, etc., etc., etc. It was a comfortable group for a while, then people started arguing over how holiday rituals should be done. Having a broad mix of paths and little wisdom forced a superficial approach to holiday gatherings and people started arguing that their way of doing things was being ignored in favor of someone else's. We females of the coven thought it'd be a bright idea to make an "energy jar" to protect the peace and solidarity of the group. This work was really just us pouring protective thoughts into a porcelain urn and sealing it with cork and wax. I was asked to leave shortly after due to something I'd stolen from a coven member and her husband. What I'd done was terrible, and I wish I could make some reparation (over the last five years, I've lost contact with everyone who was in the coven and this particular couple has left the state), but being dismissed for it may have saved me from bitterness over the group's difficult breakup soon after. As it is, I've yet to weed out some problems in my training that came from that coven. Even my small role in it led to aggravation of a nervous condition I've had since being on Ritalin for eight years as a child. I can't even identify some of the problems that are rooted in that time, so I've stopped even most lesser workings until I'm confident that I've got the basics in order. I started the LBRP after much hesitation, but I won't do more than that until I've discussed my situation and concerns with someone who has much greater qualifications in both magic and psychology.
I've seen little of opposites trying to work together in ritual, but the view from that small perspective strikes me as a good example of bad combinations.
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:54 am
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:19 pm
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:32 pm
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:43 pm
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:19 pm
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missmagpie But why use words at all...? ninja You've seen my tattoo, right? 12 words, each comprising of two to five lines. Simple, short, concise and powerful
missmagpie This leaves me in the situation somewhat like most people are just not good enough and everyone else is better. *end egoism* LOL
missmagpie Plus working with people makes bonds that can sometimes just get... messy. Am I the only person who likes those bonds?
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:00 pm
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:21 pm
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TeaDidikai reagun ban missmagpie Plus working with people makes bonds that can sometimes just get... messy. Am I the only person who likes those bonds? Depends on who the bonds are with. ninja Well, in specific I was referring to my little sister and a good friend.
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:48 pm
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reagun ban TeaDidikai reagun ban missmagpie Plus working with people makes bonds that can sometimes just get... messy. Am I the only person who likes those bonds? Depends on who the bonds are with. ninja Well, in specific I was referring to my little sister and a good friend. Not what I had in mind, but a valid example none the less.
Picture if you will for the sake of argument- said good friend and sister having a devastating fight- and the energetic result there of and the reaction present in any working done together.
Truth be told, the number of people I have worked with without a second thought I can count on a single hand.
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:07 pm
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:29 pm
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