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Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:39 pm
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Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:34 pm
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if he's eating red meat as in raw meat, then yes, it's not good for him. eating cooked red meats is bad in the long run more so now because most people aren't as active. it's been a couple years since I've taken an anthropology class, but if my memory isn't spazzing out on me, people in paleolithic times could eat more of the red meat because they would burn through it. women were gatherers primarily, yes, but the men were hunting and highly active in order to find something, even small. they moved constantly to travel. so they were burning up a bit more for that and when it was cold, they burned through significantly more calories to maintain internal body temperature.
is it necessarily good? maybe, maybe not, but balance between what the body needs is what's best whether a person likes the idea of it or not. that's the problem with a lot of diets out there, they cut something out completely or will essentially starve themselves by eating only certain things that end up causing more problems than benefits in the long run. all of that aside, you are right. while steaks are delicious they shouldn't be eaten every night. good protein, not so good with some of the fat in it
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Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:00 pm
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Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:27 am
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Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:43 am
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Louisa Iris Well... I've never really tried this kind of diet. But I do think I'd grow to hate after the second night. I mean, steaks are nice, but I just get too nauseous from eating too much of meat on consecutive days. I agree with you when you say that it is a dumb diet. Dieting means cutting down on ALL the different food groups. It won't really work if you just cut out all the carbs but scarf down tons of protein. For one, your body creates energy out of carbs and not really protein, so you'll tend to get weaker instead of getting stronger (as some might think since proteins are connected to muscles and being muscle-y means your very strong). As they say, too much of everything could be bad. One day, he's going to feel the effects of this diet.
Yeah I like steak, but it's very filling, so I can't understand how he can eat so much every night. Even when I have steak I never eat the whole thing and he's eating 1 1/2. It's such a dumb diet omg, whoever thought of it should be slapped. Dieting is about cutting back on food that's low in nutrients, and taking in more food that's is. I can't comprehend why anyone would think this diet is good, your right he's definately going to get ill from this. I just hope he doesn't have a heart attack omg.
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Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 9:52 am
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anonymous trickster mewpixy So my father has started the 'caveman diet' also known as the 'Paleolithic diet' and has been bugging me to get on it. The problem is that he isn't following it properly. I mean steak EVERY night come on! He's not following it properly, but even if he was this diet isn't good for him at his age. Personally I think it's a joke. I mean humans have evolved exponentially including our nutritional needs. What was good for our ancestors isn't necessarily good for us. And the 'Paleolithic diet' isn't all that accurate, our ancestors were eating small rodents and reptiles,mostly foraging for vegetation, they rarely got to eat red meat. This diet is terrible, cutting out all carbs is dumb. I mean the amount of vitamins and minerals you are missing out from eating whole grains and healthy dairy products, etc. isn't good. There are many other diets out there that make more sense. Anyways, what's your take on the 'Paleolithic diet'? Have you ever tried it and how did it work out for you? A high protein diet isn't healthy at all, it is actually going to make his blood and urine more acidic so he is going to off balance at a physical and molecular level because carbs are our major cellular fuel source. You should probably look some of the side effects and show them to him so he knows the risks of this diet.
A molecular level? oh lord I'm really starting to worry. I'll talk with him, but he's so stubborn! What's worse is he's trying to get my mother and I on it. I know better, but my mother, I'll talk with her to make sure she doesn't. She already has health problems, so if she starts this diet it could really hurt her. I've had multiple nutrion/health classes so maybe they'll listen. This diet is the dumbest thing I have ever heard, it's like a made up thing they use in movies as a joke.
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Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 12:17 pm
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Let the man have his meat!
Seriously, leave him alone, he'll get tired of it and want variety eventually.
A high red-meat protein diet can be harmful especially if it's all he's eating but that's more in the long term. Doing it for a couple weeks or so is not going to kill him, humans are hardier than that.
And if a need for variety doesn't win him out, the constipation will.
If he's cooking everything, are you sure he's not following the Atkins Diet because the Paleo is supposed to be all raw is my understanding.
As for my thoughts on the Paleo Diet: Cutting carbs is actually pretty smart if you aren't burning them properly since unburned carbs turn into fat and protein curbs your appetite for longer periods so you eat less. Also, refined carbs like "enriched" white bread are very harmful too since they provide little to no vitamins or minerals. Many vegetables provide all the vitamins and minerals you need, you just need to eat them right, for instance don't boil anything unless you eat/drink the water it was boiled in and leave and eat the skin on potatoes and such. As far as cooking goes, many nutrients are lost or converted through the cooking process so going raw is pretty healthy but raw meats can make you sick from bacteria and parasites.
FYI: Small rodents are still red meat. Red meat isn't just cow meat it's any meat that is red in color before cooking which is most mammal meat, including rodents. Traditionally fish and reptile meats were not actually considered meat so they have no actual classification but some cuts like gator tail could be considered a red meat.
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Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:29 pm
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Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 2:28 am
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mewpixy anonymous trickster mewpixy So my father has started the 'caveman diet' also known as the 'Paleolithic diet' and has been bugging me to get on it. The problem is that he isn't following it properly. I mean steak EVERY night come on! He's not following it properly, but even if he was this diet isn't good for him at his age. Personally I think it's a joke. I mean humans have evolved exponentially including our nutritional needs. What was good for our ancestors isn't necessarily good for us. And the 'Paleolithic diet' isn't all that accurate, our ancestors were eating small rodents and reptiles,mostly foraging for vegetation, they rarely got to eat red meat. This diet is terrible, cutting out all carbs is dumb. I mean the amount of vitamins and minerals you are missing out from eating whole grains and healthy dairy products, etc. isn't good. There are many other diets out there that make more sense. Anyways, what's your take on the 'Paleolithic diet'? Have you ever tried it and how did it work out for you? A high protein diet isn't healthy at all, it is actually going to make his blood and urine more acidic so he is going to off balance at a physical and molecular level because carbs are our major cellular fuel source. You should probably look some of the side effects and show them to him so he knows the risks of this diet. A molecular level? oh lord I'm really starting to worry. I'll talk with him, but he's so stubborn! What's worse is he's trying to get my mother and I on it. I know better, but my mother, I'll talk with her to make sure she doesn't. She already has health problems, so if she starts this diet it could really hurt her. I've had multiple nutrion/health classes so maybe they'll listen. This diet is the dumbest thing I have ever heard, it's like a made up thing they use in movies as a joke. I am sorry if I scared you! one of my friends wanted to get on this diet but when we were in our kinesiology class and learned more about it he backed out but yeah there are even more stupid diets out there just so the creators can make a quick buck and the majority don't work. If he wants to lose weight just tell him to eat at more times throughout the day but with smaller serving sizes and put an emphasis of fruits and vegies. I hope all goes well <3
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Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:54 am
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Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 12:00 pm
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It's really easy to make fun of something and call it stupid if you do not actually understand what it is or misrepresent it. So far, y'all are talking about a variation on Atkins/no carb, not a paleo/primal diet. And OP, it sounds like your father is treating it like Atkins. He needs to do some further reading because he seems confused.
A paleo/primal approach removes grains, highly processed foods, and refined sugars from the diet. Some go as far as to remove all dairy, others are conscious to include only grass-fed dairy products if their systems find them agreeable. The backbone of a paleo/primal diet is leafy greens and veggies with (mostly) lean protein, nuts and seeds, healthy oils, and small amounts of fruit. Some find potatoes OK, others do not eat them. Again, it's based more on personal preference and how it makes each individual feel rather than set in stone "rules." It's about customizing what you eat for maximum well being and listening to what your body tells you it needs.
P/P stresses humanely treated food animals that eat their natural diets, as well as eating as locally as you can when able. It's really about being more conscious and aware of what it is you're eating and where it came from.
P/P is *not* removing all carbs, and it stresses that after heavy work outs you need to consume more, usually in the form of sweet potatoes. However, it does suggest--and I would argue correctly--that most of us are not active enough to warrant having so many carbohydrates in our diets...and we should be consuming them in vegetable plant form rather than flours and sugars. (If you're more active or still growing, they do not suggest restricting carbohydrates as drastically. Quite the opposite, they stress how important the increased carbohydrate consumption is for those groups.)
Yes. It sounds so laughable, doesn't it? How unreasonable! How silly! cat_wink
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Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:00 pm
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mewpixy Yeah I like steak, but it's very filling, so I can't understand how he can eat so much every night. Even when I have steak I never eat the whole thing and he's eating 1 1/2. It's such a dumb diet omg, whoever thought of it should be slapped. Dieting is about cutting back on food that's low in nutrients, and taking in more food that's is. I can't comprehend why anyone would think this diet is good, your right he's definately going to get ill from this. I just hope he doesn't have a heart attack omg.
Yep, they're good once in a while. Well, I can understand high protein diets for those who are building up their muscles... but that doesn't really mean cutting back on carbs. I, too, am in a high protein diet because of my falling hair... but I don't stop eating veggies or carbs. Well, as long as it's not fatty foods he's eating, I don't see any immediate harm there. But it wouldn't hurt trying to lessen the intake a bit.
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