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 Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:11 pm
My mom said she was going to bible study tonight and asked my sister if she wanted to go and then asked me and I said no and she said that I should start going because good things will start happening in my life if I do. stare
So apparently bad things are happening in my life? I was not aware, sure I have a crappy job but I am still getting paid and am starting college next month.
That's just ignorant. Thinking the minute you go to church good things will happen and she bitches and complains about going like it is a chore for her and talks about how she has a life and has other things she needs to be doing! evil
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:27 pm
A lot of people who are avid about church say things like that. For them church is a fulfillment and they can't really understand how it isn't that way for other people. Bless them, really, everyone needs something to believe in but I'm a firm believer that that something should be yourself.
Going through recovery I "gave myself over to god" and all of the things that come along with the 12 Steps. And it did help feeling like I had the support of a Higher Power. But if there is a God than wouldn't S/He help those that help themselves? Doesn't it make sense that you work hard for what you want and after a grueling journey you obtain that? If it were so easy that just attending church would spark some kind of mystical conveyance of good luck in your life than everything would be answered! Go to a building once a week and sit and listen to a sermon and viola you're life is fixed! It doesn't matter if you retain any of the good info they give you as long as you are there.
Nah, if you want good things to happen you have to work for them. By all means, pray for assistance or support or comfort, but know that you are taking the steps necessary to make your life the way you want it. I don't believe any God should fault you for that. I always thought that was the point of a Higher Power; being able to look past these humanly foibles of ours. smile Church can be a really good thing for some ppl; but not all and it shouldn't be forced and you shouldn't be made to feel bad for not attending. To all their own, ya know?
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:17 pm
Dagera A lot of people who are avid about church say things like that. For them church is a fulfillment and they can't really understand how it isn't that way for other people. Bless them, really, everyone needs something to believe in but I'm a firm believer that that something should be yourself.
Going through recovery I "gave myself over to god" and all of the things that come along with the 12 Steps. And it did help feeling like I had the support of a Higher Power. But if there is a God than wouldn't S/He help those that help themselves? Doesn't it make sense that you work hard for what you want and after a grueling journey you obtain that? If it were so easy that just attending church would spark some kind of mystical conveyance of good luck in your life than everything would be answered! Go to a building once a week and sit and listen to a sermon and viola you're life is fixed! It doesn't matter if you retain any of the good info they give you as long as you are there.
Nah, if you want good things to happen you have to work for them. By all means, pray for assistance or support or comfort, but know that you are taking the steps necessary to make your life the way you want it. I don't believe any God should fault you for that. I always thought that was the point of a Higher Power; being able to look past these humanly foibles of ours. smile Church can be a really good thing for some ppl; but not all and it shouldn't be forced and you shouldn't be made to feel bad for not attending. To all their own, ya know?
Well gosh, there's not much else to say after that, haha. Very well summed up.
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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:04 am
Ittarius Dagera A lot of people who are avid about church say things like that. For them church is a fulfillment and they can't really understand how it isn't that way for other people. Bless them, really, everyone needs something to believe in but I'm a firm believer that that something should be yourself.
Going through recovery I "gave myself over to god" and all of the things that come along with the 12 Steps. And it did help feeling like I had the support of a Higher Power. But if there is a God than wouldn't S/He help those that help themselves? Doesn't it make sense that you work hard for what you want and after a grueling journey you obtain that? If it were so easy that just attending church would spark some kind of mystical conveyance of good luck in your life than everything would be answered! Go to a building once a week and sit and listen to a sermon and viola you're life is fixed! It doesn't matter if you retain any of the good info they give you as long as you are there.
Nah, if you want good things to happen you have to work for them. By all means, pray for assistance or support or comfort, but know that you are taking the steps necessary to make your life the way you want it. I don't believe any God should fault you for that. I always thought that was the point of a Higher Power; being able to look past these humanly foibles of ours. smile Church can be a really good thing for some ppl; but not all and it shouldn't be forced and you shouldn't be made to feel bad for not attending. To all their own, ya know?
Well gosh, there's not much else to say after that, haha. Very well summed up.
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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:31 pm
Dagera Ittarius Dagera A lot of people who are avid about church say things like that. For them church is a fulfillment and they can't really understand how it isn't that way for other people. Bless them, really, everyone needs something to believe in but I'm a firm believer that that something should be yourself.
Going through recovery I "gave myself over to god" and all of the things that come along with the 12 Steps. And it did help feeling like I had the support of a Higher Power. But if there is a God than wouldn't S/He help those that help themselves? Doesn't it make sense that you work hard for what you want and after a grueling journey you obtain that? If it were so easy that just attending church would spark some kind of mystical conveyance of good luck in your life than everything would be answered! Go to a building once a week and sit and listen to a sermon and viola you're life is fixed! It doesn't matter if you retain any of the good info they give you as long as you are there.
Nah, if you want good things to happen you have to work for them. By all means, pray for assistance or support or comfort, but know that you are taking the steps necessary to make your life the way you want it. I don't believe any God should fault you for that. I always thought that was the point of a Higher Power; being able to look past these humanly foibles of ours. smile Church can be a really good thing for some ppl; but not all and it shouldn't be forced and you shouldn't be made to feel bad for not attending. To all their own, ya know?
Well gosh, there's not much else to say after that, haha. Very well summed up. Heh, welcome :3
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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:01 pm
I'm not a very religious person. I never go to Sunday mass, I don't like touching slimy holy water in church (I don't care if it's holy, it's gross and unsanitary), and I absolutely hate catechism classes.
But I really don't like people who make it one of their reasons to do these activities for the sake of getting good luck. I mean, what the heck, church activities are not slot machines of holy fortune cookies. I've studied in a Christian school since I was nursery and I was forced to know the deep meanings of most gospel stories (which was slightly traumatizing and enlightening at the same time xd ). I was forced to do stuff like bible studies, rosary prayers, and masses. I don't see myself being the luckiest girl in the world, nor do I see myself full of shitty luck because of avoiding them once it's summer xp .
Also, while I'm not the best religious role model, isn't the point of doing stuff like that to learn? Know more about God, and become closer to Him? Corny, yeah, but it sounds way better than "I go there cuz good things will happen to me." It sounds like they're collecting coupons from God or something. neutral
I do believe that God helps if you ask, but you have to do your own work too. Like, you can't expect to pass an exam if you just pray and not study. I don't believe that God would spoon feed people just because they're going to church.
Maybe you should tell her, it does sound a bit ignorant (not to mention superstitious) of her to say that to you.
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Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:28 pm
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:32 am
Kova Aquarii I don't believe that God would spoon feed people just because they're going to church
@ 1.27foamy the squirrel 1. The bible has been manipulated by man since its inception. Even if you consider it the 'word of God' man has had way too much influence on it, tweaking it for their own political and religious gain. 2. Religion is a personal choice, NOT LAW. Your religious views may not be the same as another. Get over it! You don't have the right to impose your religious views on other people. That's kind of why America was founded. Religious freedom!
Now that last part can be argued especially by Native Americans who had Christianity forced upon them but... thats a discussion for another time ^_^
But yes, no man, no woman, no human being living can ever claim they know what God/dess is or what S/He wants. Those who do, I always thought, have one mighty high opinion of themselves and er, isn't that a "sin"? Bottomline: the bible was written by men. And when I say men I mean people with penises.
But don't get me wrong religious sanctuary can save people. If it weren't for finding their version of God a lot of the people in recovery never would have made it, myself included. Its kind of a luxury not to have religion. People in a foxhole or with a gun held to their head don't have that luxury of decided whether or not they are going to have faith. You hold your breath and f'n pray! eek But religion shouldn't be that gun and damnation shouldn't be the bullet they fire at you for choosing not to partake in their beliefs. Why would God create us with such free will if S/He demanded we follow this set rule and don't question anything else? If you admit that God works in mysterious ways then how can you know what S/He wants?? Really, people, look at some common sense within what you are saying and open yourselves up to the possibility that you do not know God and probably never could. Why does that have to be a blow? Why can't it just be a mystical acceptance like the one that there is a God? Really figure out your definition of faith before you start spewing it on me is all that I ask... or else you get an argument like this smile
Phew sweatdrop Sry. That video got the mind cogs spinning :3 Has anyone checked out Religulous?
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Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:07 pm
Dagera Kova Aquarii I don't believe that God would spoon feed people just because they're going to church
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