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Yes. A poll of the greatest icons. |
The queue that was at Dunkirk. |
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7% |
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The queue that was the thin red line. |
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15% |
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The queues to leave sinking ships. |
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7% |
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The queues for rationed foods in the Second World War. |
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23% |
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The queues (metaphysical) for operations on the NHS. |
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46% |
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 12:17 pm
An overlooked thread sparked by a few secoins I found in a quite newly published book, "The Angry Island, hunting the english." by A.A. Gill, as Scot who isn't too fond of the English.A.A. Gill The queue is properly anarchic - anarchy being not a free-for-all in the sense of competing selfishness, but a free-for-all in the sense of collective responsibility; and when you look at it like that it seems so wholly un-English. A place where the Dute stands behind the butler and the Dame behind the lap-dancer - all organised without the need of a big stick. There is no common law pertaining to queues, no high-court judgment. Queues weren't mentioned in the Magna Carta or the Book of Common Prayer; there's no nursery rhyme game about queueing. The queue involves no equipment - it is the perfect piece of organic social engineering. A.A. Gill Every English person has a cautionary tale, an apocryphal story, about those who transgress the un-law of queues - often foreigners. I've just been told this one, a story of a ski-lift. Apparently the lift was a little funicular. It pulled into a platform, its doors opening and closing automatically. People hopped on, clipping their skis to a rack on the side. The queue was long. As my storyteller got to the platform a band of strapping Germans loudly shoved their way to the front and jumped into the next empty car. The rest of the queue looked on in fury, the automatic doors closed and the Germans looked back with their characteristic mien of Germanic entitlement and triumphalism.'We came to ski, not to stand in line,' their faces said. And then just as the car began to move, a slight middle-aged man, an Englishman of no distinction with a look of calm determination, trotted onto the platform and unclipped the German skis, laying them with exaggerated care on the platform. German faces were wiped with impotent indignation and mimed threats. The queue erupted into polyglot cheers, the little Englishman was slapped on the back. His hand was wrung and he made his way back to his place in the queue. Now, the Englishman who told me this story said that nothing that had happened to him had made him so incandescently angry as the German queue-bargers - or as elated as the revenge of the little man. It had filled him with such a cosmic release of trandescent happiness and prid at the chap's very ordinariness, that it had thaken all his prep-school-taught discipline not to burst into tears. 'It still pricks my eyes when I think of it, and you know the really important bit, he went back to his place in the queue. No one would have gainsaid his right to jump into the next carriage, he'd earned it. But he went back to his place in the queue. you should have seen him, he'd have been played by John Mills in the film.' So, there we have it. A cultural icon that you only notice when you go overseas.
Is it still relevant? Do people nowadays even care about it? Do you still care about it?
And; for those overseas, do you feel there is such pride or prevalence of queueing where you live, and would the world be a better place if more people took note?
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:40 am
I believe wholeheartedly in the great british queue. It's a beautiful sight to behold. You turn up and wait your turn, just like everyone else. Everyone in a queue is equal. That being said, I have noticed a large amount of *scowls* queue jumpers at the hell that is the jobcentre. Mostly chavs would you believe.
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:52 am
I think it's probably the first thing I miss when I leave the country. It is noticeable almost as soon as you get there.
Fortunately, my mother grew up there and is admirably proficient in 'inadvertant' elbow-jabbing and shoulder-barging.
xd
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Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:05 pm
Rev.Matt I believe wholeheartedly in the great british queue. It's a beautiful sight to behold. You turn up and wait your turn, just like everyone else. Everyone in a queue is equal. That being said, I have noticed a large amount of *scowls* queue jumpers at the hell that is the jobcentre. Mostly chavs would you believe. It is always the chavs isn't it. I don't know how they live with themselves. When I was on cafe duty, prefects on cafe duty were allowed to skip the que. And I just couldn't do it. Everything just gets so chaotic and stressful if there isn't ques. Don't know how you can survive without them.
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Shadow of an Illusion Crew
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 8:03 am
AA Gill is one of my fav Brits in the public eye. XD "An Englishman, even if he is alone, forms an orderly queue of one."- George Mikes (How To Be An Alien)
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 11:13 am
I don't think George Mikes is very widely read, but I have his books at home and I toyed with the idea of having them and a few others on a sort of 'suggested reading' list.
I decided it'd not be much appreciated really, but I do like the books. None of it, well.. Very little of it is still true today, but they're a jolly good read.
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 11:44 am
A.A Gill is a wierd one I'll say that...
No, I'd say the queue is British but as ever English are stereotypes as the polite genteel ones so they get the gold queueing star.
Bill Bryson comments on the British queue in one of his books, I'll just jump on google and see if I can find the qoute.
nope.
Anyway it went along the lines of his sense of wonder at seeng the way of queuing that is so perfectly executed at mcdonalds tills and the like- when there are several tills and everyone gets into one big line, splitting up at the end to walk to the next free till. He voiced his amazment at the fact that people do this without being told to or with any organisation or even talking to each other, it just happens and everyone feels a little better for not worrying about which queue is moving faster and the whole thing being totally fair.
That is a great british queue.
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 2:00 pm
I've just realised I'd typed AA Mill when I was thinking of Gill. I must have had Milne in mind as well. XD
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:08 am
Some random woman shouted at my friends and I on Tuesday for apparently trying to jump in the queue for the Ice Rink.... we were only saying goodbye to our friends (who were already in the queue) because we decided to go home because we didnt want to wait.. and she started shouting at us for no reason... shows how important queues are I suppose. I never realised it's British thing.. just seems logical to me
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 2:25 pm
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 12:55 pm
Ah... queues. I tend to feel really strongly on the point, a friend pulled me close to the front of a queue at a club a week or so ago and i still feel a slight pang of guilt... Although, roughly seventy people weren't let in due to over-crowding that night so i'm sort of thankful.
Back to Chavs and queues, -every single- breaktime i queue for lunch i count the amounts that barge in. Normally Chav girls, normally my junior... Also, it's so incredibly horrifying the way they walk in sideways, smile, giggle and seem to think i haven't noticed. Despite them traveling in groups of five. Ug *shudders* I hope they choke on their chips/liquified-carbonated-E-numbers/increasingly-unhealthy-stuff .
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:21 pm
cronos_kitty I hope they choke on their chips/liquified-carbonated-E-numbers/increasingly-unhealthy-stuff. Even if they don't choke, the chemical build-up will kill them anyway.
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:07 am
cronos_kitty Ah... queues. I tend to feel really strongly on the point, a friend pulled me close to the front of a queue at a club a week or so ago and i still feel a slight pang of guilt... Although, roughly seventy people weren't let in due to over-crowding that night so i'm sort of thankful.
Back to Chavs and queues, -every single- breaktime i queue for lunch i count the amounts that barge in. Normally Chav girls, normally my junior... Also, it's so incredibly horrifying the way they walk in sideways, smile, giggle and seem to think i haven't noticed. Despite them traveling in groups of five. Ug *shudders* I hope they choke on their chips/liquified-carbonated-E-numbers/increasingly-unhealthy-stuff . What's worse is when they do that look at you giggle- it's not just a "you didn't see me so I win" it's a "I know you can see me do this and I am going to do it anyway and pretend you didn't see me to piss you off and make myself feel like I won. Then I might whisper and giggle with my friends and make you feel even more belittled." b***h!
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:09 pm
Invictus_88 Even if they don't choke, the chemical build-up will kill them anyway. twisted Thank God for GM and otherwise foods, ahmen XDficklefiend What's worse is when they do that look at you giggle- it's not just a "you didn't see me so I win" it's a "I know you can see me do this and I am going to do it anyway and pretend you didn't see me to piss you off and make myself feel like I won. Then I might whisper and giggle with my friends and make you feel even more belittled."
b***h! Here here!!
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Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:22 am
Ah, I love the good old english (?) queue. That's us to a tee, that is.
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