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 Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:00 pm
I've been collecting fableds for a while and I almost have enough for a deck I just need a couple key cards, but this isn't about my list. Let me explain, when I went to the weekly tournament yesterday a kid suggested that I try a "merchant fabled deck" he didn't give me any details except that it used magical merchant, I looked online, but I still can't find any real point in dumping all my fableds(that revolve around being discarded) from the deck. Can someone please explain?
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:19 pm
Mr_dragon I've been collecting fableds for a while and I almost have enough for a deck I just need a couple key cards, but this isn't about my list. Let me explain, when I went to the weekly tournament yesterday a kid suggested that I try a "merchant fabled deck" he didn't give me any details except that it used magical merchant, I looked online, but I still can't find any real point in dumping all my fableds(that revolve around being discarded) from the deck. Can someone please explain? umm, with magical merchant, you don't mill, you pick up, then send to grave. so all the fableds who get their effects when sent from hand to grave will get their effects.
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:10 pm
i wouldnt recomend it cause i ran merchant fabled and it is to slow u cant wait for the merchant its better to use the light sworn fabled
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:15 pm
RAVEN x159 i wouldnt recomend it cause i ran merchant fabled and it is to slow u cant wait for the merchant its better to use the light sworn fabled no, because they don't get their effects when milled. the only psuedo-miller out there is Merchant.
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:29 pm
Picking up cards aren't added to hand, axean. It's directly from deck to Graveyard, which is why Wulf, Lightsworn Beast would activate if sent to the Graveyard via Magical Merchant or Reasoning. Even so, it wouldn't have activated the Fabled which specifically require a "discard".
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:32 pm
Mustard Like Soup Picking up cards aren't added to hand, axean. It's directly from deck to Graveyard, which is why Wulf, Lightsworn Hunter would activate if sent to the Graveyard via Magical Merchant or Reasoning. Even so, it wouldn't have activated the Fabled which specifically require a "discard". my local judge ruled that because they are first added to hand by magical mercant before being discarded, they get their effects. at least Kruz gets hers. Not sure about the others like cerburrel.
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:33 pm
Your judge is flat out wrong.
The only difference between "picking up" and "sending" is verification of the card prior to hitting the Graveyard, which is necessary for Magical Merchant.
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:36 pm
Mustard Like Soup Your judge is flat out wrong. The only difference between "picking up" and "sending" is verification of the card prior to hitting the Graveyard, which is necessary for Magical Merchant. i dunno, he's a head judge. i trust him over you.
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:38 pm
Lawl, ******** no. He's ABSOLUTELY wrong Axean.
FLIP: Pick up cards from the top of your Deck until you pick up a Spell Card or Trap Card. Add that card to your hand. Send the remaining cards to the Graveyard.
Why the hell would it specify to add the last card to hand if it's already in it? Hmm? Think about it for a second, then smack your head judge in the d**k.
Also, stop acting like judges don't have human faults.
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:41 pm
Lawl, okay?
A judge ruled at Shonen Jump Edison that Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter can be Flip Summoned the same turn it's Special Summoned by Super-Nimble Mega Hamster, and that's not true.
Magical Merchant would still send, not discard, the cards, which are two completely different things. Great example as to why Dark World has never worked with Hand Destruction.
And Wulf, Lightsworn Beast still activates when sent to the Graveyard through Magical Merchant and Reasoning.
It's not what I'm saying, there is documented evidence and rulings telling you that what your head judge is saying is wrong. Further proving that local tournaments never really matter.
If you want to say your local judge ruled it so, give me a name. A known, Konami official. Your judge is wrong, and you're an idiot for believing him.
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:43 pm
Gravitational Molestation Lawl, ******** no. He's ABSOLUTELY wrong Axean. FLIP: Pick up cards from the top of your Deck until you pick up a Spell Card or Trap Card. Add that card to your hand. Send the remaining cards to the Graveyard. Why the hell would it specify to add the last card to hand if it's already in it? Hmm? Think about it for a second, then smack your head judge in the d**k. Also, stop acting like judges don't have human faults. I'm not acting like they don't have human faults. confused all i said is what the judge ruled about kruz. I assumed the other fabled monsters would get the same ruling. if it;'s wrong, so be it. my mistake for believeing a head judge.
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:48 pm
axean Gravitational Molestation Lawl, ******** no. He's ABSOLUTELY wrong Axean. FLIP: Pick up cards from the top of your Deck until you pick up a Spell Card or Trap Card. Add that card to your hand. Send the remaining cards to the Graveyard. Why the hell would it specify to add the last card to hand if it's already in it? Hmm? Think about it for a second, then smack your head judge in the d**k. Also, stop acting like judges don't have human faults. I'm not acting like they don't have human faults. confused all i said is what the judge ruled about kruz. I assumed the other fabled monsters would get the same ruling. if it;'s wrong, so be it. my mistake for believeing a head judge. You're acting like a judge can't get s**t wrong. Krus will NOT activate off of Merchant. Send vs Discard. It's been that way since Dark World monsters. The effect of a monster like "Sillva, Warlord of Dark World" only activates when it is "discarded to the Graveyard" from the hand by a card effect. The effects of "Hand Destruction" and "Veil of Darkness" "send to the Graveyard" the cards - this is not the same as "discard to the Graveyard". Thus, if a monster like "Sillva, Warlord of Dark World" is sent to the Graveyard by these effects, then you cannot activate its effect.[7] Also, Krus is NEVER IN YOUR HAND off of Merchant.
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Gravitational Molestation
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:49 pm
Mustard Like Soup Lawl, okay? A judge ruled at Shonen Jump Edison that Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter can be Flip Summoned the same turn it's Special Summoned by Super-Nimble Mega Hamster, and that's not true. Magical Merchant would still send, not discard, the cards, which are two completely different things. Great example as to why Dark World has never worked with Hand Destruction. And Wulf, Lightsworn Beast still activates when sent to the Graveyard through Magical Merchant and Reasoning. It's not what I'm saying, there is documented evidence and rulings telling you that what your head judge is saying is wrong. Further proving that local tournaments never really matter. If you want to say your local judge ruled it so, give me a name. A known, Konami official. Your judge is wrong, and you're an idiot for believing him. 1. That judge at the Edison was definately wrong, it's a game mechanic that monsters cannot change battle positions the turn they're summoned. 2. I'm not an idiot. I've fought incorrect rulings before. One judge didn't believe negate attack targetted. I fought it and won. 3. Locals do matter for those who aren't experienced enough for higher level tournaments, or just don't have the money for tier worthy decks. It's also a nice way to get packs, whether you get cash, store credit or the packs themselves for placing in the tournament.
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:53 pm
Gravitational Molestation axean Gravitational Molestation Lawl, ******** no. He's ABSOLUTELY wrong Axean. FLIP: Pick up cards from the top of your Deck until you pick up a Spell Card or Trap Card. Add that card to your hand. Send the remaining cards to the Graveyard. Why the hell would it specify to add the last card to hand if it's already in it? Hmm? Think about it for a second, then smack your head judge in the d**k. Also, stop acting like judges don't have human faults. I'm not acting like they don't have human faults. confused all i said is what the judge ruled about kruz. I assumed the other fabled monsters would get the same ruling. if it;'s wrong, so be it. my mistake for believeing a head judge. You're acting like a judge can't get s**t wrong. Krus will NOT activate off of Merchant. Send vs Discard. It's been that way since Dark World monsters. The effect of a monster like "Sillva, Warlord of Dark World" only activates when it is "discarded to the Graveyard" from the hand by a card effect. The effects of "Hand Destruction" and "Veil of Darkness" "send to the Graveyard" the cards - this is not the same as "discard to the Graveyard". Thus, if a monster like "Sillva, Warlord of Dark World" is sent to the Graveyard by these effects, then you cannot activate its effect.[7] Also, Krus is NEVER IN YOUR HAND off of Merchant. I can see that you like argueing more than actually helping people. I'll just ignore your comments from now on. I already accepted my mistake on the matter, you really had no need to push the subject further.
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Gravitational Molestation
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:55 pm
I'm teaching you a lesson that your judge is ******** wrong. Are you kidding? Way to allow illegal play to continue in your local without challenging your judge.
Admit your mistake? Cool. Sure.
Still standing by your judge though you know the ruling is wrong? Hell no.
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