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Jevan R. H. Divinitive
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 4:16 am

Here's the first draft of a little guide I'm writing to help you against stackers you duel in rl.

Now remember when you duel someone first you shuffle your own decks, then you shuffle each others and finally you get to cut your deck. If your opponent doesn't offer their deck to shuffle and then draws quickly, like they're in a rush, it's likely that they are stacking and they don't want you to ruin their stack so make sure to get them to shuffle their deck again then hand it over.

Now shuffling your own deck is simple, just find a method to shuffle effectively and quickly so that the cards are less likely to be grouped. Combining 2 or 3 different methods works well.

Now while shuffling your opponents deck the fair way is to quickly place them into piles on the table and mix them up that way, this shows your opponent that you're not trying to cheat and it mixes their cards well. (I usually do 4 rows of 5, which ends with 2 in each pile if they use 40 then combine these piles in some random order. This also helps count their cards to check they have between 40 and 60.)

Also while shuffling your opponents keep and eye on what they are doing with yours. A lot of people I've duelled glance at the bottom card of the deck while side shuffling, this is a very common way of cheating. They not only lets them check out your deck but they can easily group certain cards at the bottom of your deck and then either leave them at the bottom if they would be good for you or put them at the top if they'd make a dead hand. Maybe ask your opponent to pile shuffle if you feel worried about this.

If they don't then remember that you can cut the deck. Try to mix it up, but don't leave it as it is, ever! Take the top quarter, 2 quarters or 3 quarters and put them at the bottom of your deck, this is a cut. You are not allowed to shuffle but this should be enough to stop your opponent if they're trying to give you a bad opening.

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 9:35 am

Actually... I can't say I'm aware about SHUFFLING the opponent's deck. All I know is that you shuffle your own, you make sure your opponent has shuffled his own, then you cut each other's decks. After that, deck order isn't touched again until deck search effects come into play, then it's the same "search player shuffles, opponent cuts" deal. It's proven to work.

Also note that the above strategy is actually in the RULEBOOK. You can ask to cut their deck after they shuffle. If you do, they cannot refuse.

Seems like shuffling an opponent's deck would be a waste of time, especially since, in your method, a stacker could merely cut his deck in just the right spot so that his best card (probably a worn SR or something) would be right on top.

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Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 11:02 am

I just cut the opponent's deck to avoid causing stupidity.

Personally, I hate when other people shuffle my deck, as people tend to shuffle like maniacs and I don't want my s**t ruined. Any opposition to this is usually "OMG u stacking?"

Just switch how/where you cut it at random. Being exactly down the middle in two piles, or 1/3 into two piles, or into three piles, etc.

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 11:11 am

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Actually... I can't say I'm aware about SHUFFLING the opponent's deck. All I know is that you shuffle your own, you make sure your opponent has shuffled his own, then you cut each other's decks. After that, deck order isn't touched again until deck search effects come into play, then it's the same "search player shuffles, opponent cuts" deal. It's proven to work.

Also note that the above strategy is actually in the RULEBOOK. You can ask to cut their deck after they shuffle. If you do, they cannot refuse.

Seems like shuffling an opponent's deck would be a waste of time, especially since, in your method, a stacker could merely cut his deck in just the right spot so that his best card (probably a worn SR or something) would be right on top.

This is again Rulebook versus tournament policy. To make it fair you shuffle yours, your opponents then cut yours.

This allows you to make sure your opponents deck is random so even if they cut to get one card they want, it will only be one which doesn't help much.

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I just cut the opponent's deck to avoid causing stupidity.

Personally, I hate when other people shuffle my deck, as people tend to shuffle like maniacs and I don't want my s**t ruined. Any opposition to this is usually "OMG u stacking?"

Just switch how/where you cut it at random. Being exactly down the middle in two piles, or 1/3 into two piles, or into three piles, etc.

If someone shuffles your deck like that then just call a judge and let them sort out your opponent. I know how you feel, plenty of little brats have ruined my sleeves though I now use Ultra Pro sleeves which split a lot less often and are a lot tougher.

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Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 11:15 am

Exotahu

I just cut the opponent's deck to avoid causing stupidity.

Personally, I hate when other people shuffle my deck, as people tend to shuffle like maniacs and I don't want my s**t ruined. Any opposition to this is usually "OMG u stacking?"

Just switch how/where you cut it at random. Being exactly down the middle in two piles, or 1/3 into two piles, or into three piles, etc.

I hate when my opponant shuffles my deck. it makes it feel like they're placing all the good s**t on the bottom. Just cut the damn deck in half or 3rds and be done with it.

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:28 pm

Konami's poilicy of shuffling.

H. Shuffling
A player’s Deck must be randomized by using an accepted shuffling method (riffle, pile, Hindu, etc.) and
then cut. This must be done at the start of every game, and whenever a game mechanic requires the
player to shuffle their Deck.
Each player must thoroughly randomize (shuffle) their Deck where the opponent can see.
· A player cannot check or order the cards when shuffling
· A player cannot pre-sort their Deck (sorting Monsters/Spell/Trap, etc.)
After the Deck is thoroughly randomized, it must be presented to the opponent. The opponent must
randomize (shuffle) the Deck further and then return it to the original owner.
The owner may then “cut” their Deck. If they do, they must present it to the opponent who must “cut” the
Deck again and then present it back to the original owner. No additional randomization may be done to
the Deck after this point.
By presenting your Deck to your opponent, you agree that you have sufficiently randomized your Deck.

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Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 1:38 pm

great, now they can shuffle my deck all they want.

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:57 pm

Here's the thing I say when they shuffle my deck you ruin ANY card your paying for it. Now I have proof that I can cut my deck in response of my deck of being stacked.