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 Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:02 am
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Bad_End_Queen_Dragon Quote: This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card can only be Special Summoned if you control 3 or more Continuous Spell Cards. When this card inflicts Battle Damage to your opponent, your opponent selects 1 card from their hand and sends it to the Graveyard, then you draw 1 card. If this card is sent from the field to the Graveyard, during your Standby Phase, you can send 1 Continuous Spell Card from your side of the field to the Graveyard to Special Summon this card from the Graveyard. I mean, besides the obvious Crystal Beast engine...which you would be better off using Hamon with anyway...
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:25 am
Nope I don't think there is any other deck she would fit in....
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:00 am
Mostly you play her in her own deck, which is pretty much the standard Hamon build minus Hamon.
On another note, both are horribad in CB. Don't use Hamon or the Queen.
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 1:02 pm
i run Cbs the most sucessful engines i've used are rainbow turbo and abundace turbo.
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:31 pm
why shouldn't you run Hamon in a CB deck?
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:39 pm
sky_rider19 why shouldn't you run Hamon in a CB deck? ok i used to run it until i began to notice he killed my hand and you want you cbs in the back row for ancient city or abundance. Its a matter of control. I summon hamon at like a neg 3 cost. then your oppenent play bottomless that you could of stopped anyway because our you ancient city but you dont have enough Cbs in your spell trap to negate. Hamon is too easily killed for his own good.
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:17 pm
sky_rider19 why shouldn't you run Hamon in a CB deck? He does the opposite of the goal of CB, he empties the backrow they want full.
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:41 pm
armycat jockamoe sky_rider19 why shouldn't you run Hamon in a CB deck? He does the opposite of the goal of CB, he empties the backrow they want full. Well you figure that Crystal Beasts can recycle themselves from the graveyard too, and Hamon is a 4000 / 4000 that draws attacks from other monsters and can deal effect damage upon destroying a monster... Yeah. A 4000 / 4000 super-blocker that can be special summoned almost too easily in CBs. Totally sucks. Just like Gorz. EDIT: For those who can't see it, the statement made immediately above is sarcasm. I endorse running 1-2 Hamon in a CB deck because it's a useful card. The usage of Gorz was to try to accent the sarcasm because Gorz isn't a bad card, just requires the right circumstances to summon.
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:43 pm
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:15 pm
Hakuro de Killer armycat jockamoe sky_rider19 why shouldn't you run Hamon in a CB deck? He does the opposite of the goal of CB, he empties the backrow they want full. Well you figure that Crystal Beasts can recycle themselves from the graveyard too, and Hamon is a 4000 / 4000 that draws attacks from other monsters and can deal effect damage upon destroying a monster... Yeah. A 4000 / 4000 super-blocker that can be special summoned almost too easily in CBs. Totally sucks. Just like Gorz. EDIT: For those who can't see it, the statement made immediately above is sarcasm. I endorse running 1-2 Hamon in a CB deck because it's a useful card. The usage of Gorz was to try to accent the sarcasm because Gorz isn't a bad card, just requires the right circumstances to summon. OK, but why bother getting rid of advantage when a full spell and trap zone does so much more? Seriously, why would you do that? 4000/4000 with no protection, makes rainbow runes next to useless, abundance is unplayable, beacon and rare value dead in hand half the time. Who cares about the recycling from the grave, by the time you have 4 CB's in the S/T zones you'll have missed several better plays than Hamon. Also, how dare you compare the playable Gorz to the crap-tastic Hamon.
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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 9:26 pm
armycat jockamoe Hakuro de Killer armycat jockamoe sky_rider19 why shouldn't you run Hamon in a CB deck? He does the opposite of the goal of CB, he empties the backrow they want full. Well you figure that Crystal Beasts can recycle themselves from the graveyard too, and Hamon is a 4000 / 4000 that draws attacks from other monsters and can deal effect damage upon destroying a monster... Yeah. A 4000 / 4000 super-blocker that can be special summoned almost too easily in CBs. Totally sucks. Just like Gorz. EDIT: For those who can't see it, the statement made immediately above is sarcasm. I endorse running 1-2 Hamon in a CB deck because it's a useful card. The usage of Gorz was to try to accent the sarcasm because Gorz isn't a bad card, just requires the right circumstances to summon. OK, but why bother getting rid of advantage when a full spell and trap zone does so much more? Seriously, why would you do that? 4000/4000 with no protection, makes rainbow runes next to useless, abundance is unplayable, beacon and rare value dead in hand half the time. Who cares about the recycling from the grave, by the time you have 4 CB's in the S/T zones you'll have missed several better plays than Hamon. Also, how dare you compare the playable Gorz to the crap-tastic Hamon. Because Hamon and Gorz are equivalent when played in their respective decks. Even Gorz can be a dead draw when you have a face-down spell/trap that you can't get rid of. Sure, Gorz is more splashable and easier to get out, but it's weaker in ATK / DEF and all it does is spawn a token (or deal effect damage, depending). Hamon is harder to get out and its effects make up for it on an equivalent level. Also, if you really care about swarming your spell/trap zone with Crystal Beasts, you'd invest in Crystal Blessing.
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:56 pm
But if you summon him with a full back row you can still use rare value and beacon.
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:08 pm
Hakuro de Killer armycat jockamoe Hakuro de Killer armycat jockamoe sky_rider19 why shouldn't you run Hamon in a CB deck? He does the opposite of the goal of CB, he empties the backrow they want full. Well you figure that Crystal Beasts can recycle themselves from the graveyard too, and Hamon is a 4000 / 4000 that draws attacks from other monsters and can deal effect damage upon destroying a monster... Yeah. A 4000 / 4000 super-blocker that can be special summoned almost too easily in CBs. Totally sucks. Just like Gorz. EDIT: For those who can't see it, the statement made immediately above is sarcasm. I endorse running 1-2 Hamon in a CB deck because it's a useful card. The usage of Gorz was to try to accent the sarcasm because Gorz isn't a bad card, just requires the right circumstances to summon. OK, but why bother getting rid of advantage when a full spell and trap zone does so much more? Seriously, why would you do that? 4000/4000 with no protection, makes rainbow runes next to useless, abundance is unplayable, beacon and rare value dead in hand half the time. Who cares about the recycling from the grave, by the time you have 4 CB's in the S/T zones you'll have missed several better plays than Hamon. Also, how dare you compare the playable Gorz to the crap-tastic Hamon. Because Hamon and Gorz are equivalent when played in their respective decks. Even Gorz can be a dead draw when you have a face-down spell/trap that you can't get rid of. Sure, Gorz is more splashable and easier to get out, but it's weaker in ATK / DEF and all it does is spawn a token (or deal effect damage, depending). Hamon is harder to get out and its effects make up for it on an equivalent level. Also, if you really care about swarming your spell/trap zone with Crystal Beasts, you'd invest in Crystal Blessing. Ok in their respective decks maybe. Crystal Beast isn't Hamons deck. I never brought up dead draws as the issue. Gorz stops OTKs, His token can and sometimes will be bigger than he is, his burn while not always a guaranteed 1000 does give you a usable beatstick that can't be bottomless trap holed. All Hamon does is a bit of burn, and suck up atks. In today's game he has maybe a turn if that before he gets blown up or removed. so you do maybe 3000 or so for a four card investment, or you attempt to suck up a couple attacks, Boosted Bora says hi. Well Crystal Blessing is a given in CB, but just because you have them and can bring them back doesn't mean you should give up your beast for Hamon.
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