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Mr. Bono Vox

PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 1:20 pm
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State pension age 'to rise to 68'



Lord Turner's briefing
A gradual rise in the state pension age to 68 has been put forward as part of a major proposed shake-up of UK pensions.
In return, the basic state pension would be increased and rise in line with earnings rather than inflation.

In its report the Pensions Commission also proposes a National Pension Savings Scheme, which many workers would be automatically enrolled into.

The report has triggered a political row over who caused the pensions crisis and whether the reforms are affordable.

Pensions minister John Hutton said the government's response would be based on five tests: "Do the proposals promote personal responsibility; are they fair; are they affordable; do they simplify the system; are they sustainable."

Opposition parties doubted the government's commitment to reform. Outgoing Conservative leader Michael Howard said under Mr Blair's government, "over 10,000 occupational pension schemes have collapsed and the amount of money people save has almost halved."

The Liberal Democrat spokesman on pensions, David Laws, said that he welcomed the report, but added there was a fear that the government might "kick it into the long grass".

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The head of the Pensions Commission, Lord Adair Turner, said the UK's pension system currently faced "significant problems".

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The report in quotes

The commission spent three years looking at ways to revamp the UK's pension system.

In its interim report last year, the commission said more than 12 million people over the age of 25 were not saving enough towards their retirement.

The commission has now called for the state pension to become more generous, but become payable at a later age over the coming decades as life expectancy increases.

It suggests that the state pension age should rise gradually, to 66 by 2030, 67 by 2040 and 68 by 2050.

It also proposes:


future entitlement to the basic state pension should become universal and be based on residency and not on contributions
the basic state pension should become indexed to earnings
the current state second pension should evolve into a flat-rate payment
the state system should be "as non means-tested as possible"
the savings element of the pension credit should rise by less than average earnings
"The problems in the UK's pension system will grow increasingly worse unless a new pensions settlement for the 21st century is now debated, agreed and put in place," Lord Turner said.

The proposal to link increases in the basic state pension to earnings has already caused a political row. Chancellor Gordon Brown was reported to have said it was unaffordable.

The idea behind automatic enrolment is that savings rates will increase because people will think it is too much bother to opt out



Read what the pensions report means for you

Alison O'Connell from the Pensions Policy Institute told the BBC that people who had studied pensions recognised that it "would be much better to have a better state pension and less means testing".

"As we're all living longer, that will require some change in state pension age in future to pay for it," she added.

"The big question is how much we spend on state pensions and how much we can reduce that cost by raising the state pension age."

Small firms 'badly hit'

Explaining the national pensions saving scheme (NPSS), Lord Turner said the scheme should automatically enrol all workers if they are not already in a sufficiently-backed company scheme, although they would have the right to opt out.

Under the proposed NPSS, individuals would contribute the equivalent to 4% of their post-tax earnings, their company an additional 3% and the government 1% through tax relief or credit.

Lord Turner said this would add only 0.6% to the labour costs of the private sector.

But some business groups questioned whether such a scheme, modelled on one being developed in New Zealand, would be affordable.


More than 12 million workers are not saving enough for retirement

David Frost, director general of the British Chambers of Commerce, said he was "disappointed" to see that employers would be expected to pay into the scheme.

"Small firms would be particularly badly hit, and businesses have told us that they would have no option but to lay off staff, [and] freeze salaries and much-needed investment."

CBI director general Sir Digby Jones welcomed the report but said compelling smaller firms to make contributions "would be a step too far".

"Under today's plans, the only opt-out available to some struggling smaller firms may be to shut up shop."

However, the EEF business group applauded the commission's proposals.

"We support the idea of soft compulsion for employers and employees but recognise that some smaller companies will find this problematic," said the EEF director general, Martin Temple.

The EEF called for government to assist smaller firms with the transition to the new scheme.

'No pain-free solutions'

TUC general secretary Brendan Barber described the commission's report as "bold and hard-headed".

"We remain opposed to any proposal to increase the state pension age that would make manual workers and the poor worse off," Mr Barber said.

But he added the majority of the conclusions were "undoubtedly progressive".

"There are no pain-free solutions to pensions. Employers, employees and the state, through tax revenues, must all play their part."



i personally believe that access to your state pension should be allowed at 60. women get it at 60 so why dont men? i beleive that instead of rasing it for everyone so that they work till they are dead it should be lowered to 60. neutral what is your opinion on the matter?  
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:30 pm
I say work till 70, and longer if you can and wish to.

All this brouhaha about the government squeezing people dry seems a bit unfair. After all, when the pension age was set at 65, most people died before they were that old.

If we don't push the pension age up, or strip the state pension back to even fewer pennies, we will bankrupt ourselves.

...and none of us want that, I believe.
 

Invictus_88
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Mr. Bono Vox

PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 12:40 pm
Invictus_88
I say work till 70, and longer if you can and wish to.

All this brouhaha about the government squeezing people dry seems a bit unfair. After all, when the pension age was set at 65, most people died before they were that old.

If we don't push the pension age up, or strip the state pension back to even fewer pennies, we will bankrupt ourselves.

...and none of us want that, I believe.
should we not be pushing to improve from before?  
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 8:32 am
Pushing to improve what from before?  

Invictus_88
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Mr. Bono Vox

PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 9:27 am
Invictus_88
Pushing to improve what from before?
i dont think it is entirly right to say that because men died before 65 in past years and did not get their penison that we should let the same sort of thing happen again.  
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 12:24 pm
Mr. Bono Vox
Invictus_88
Pushing to improve what from before?
i dont think it is entirly right to say that because men died before 65 in past years and did not get their penison that we should let the same sort of thing happen again.


Let it happen?

It was not simply a regrettable state of affairs that the state pension was so close to the life expectancy, the pension was a "well done, you've lived and worked for so long that you can't work any longer, let us help you in gratitude".

As opposed to "Riteyo, I'm 65 now. Screw this work malarkey, I'm off for a few more decades of Saga holiday!".

Pensions for those who need them, would be a better way. I'm not opposed to moving the standard retirement age up by about five years.

I know it's not popular, but if it will save the country from destitution, then damn to the consequenses.
 

Invictus_88
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Mr. Bono Vox

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 1:46 pm
Invictus_88
Mr. Bono Vox
Invictus_88
Pushing to improve what from before?
i dont think it is entirly right to say that because men died before 65 in past years and did not get their penison that we should let the same sort of thing happen again.


Let it happen?

It was not simply a regrettable state of affairs that the state pension was so close to the life expectancy, the pension was a "well done, you've lived and worked for so long that you can't work any longer, let us help you in gratitude".

As opposed to "Riteyo, I'm 65 now. Screw this work malarkey, I'm off for a few more decades of Saga holiday!".

Pensions for those who need them, would be a better way. I'm not opposed to moving the standard retirement age up by about five years.

I know it's not popular, but if it will save the country from destitution, then damn to the consequenses.
then i believe we will have to agree to disagree on the issue... unless you wish to do otherwise XD  
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 2:01 am
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