Wicca traditions?

[Bastemhet]

I admit I don't know much about Wicca at all, except that to be Wiccan you have to be accepted into a lineaged coven. However on another board someone disagreed and said they are part of a coven that is not lineaged, and that that is not a requirement to be an actual coven. Is this true?  

[Collowrath]

No. That's like asking someone if you have to have a degree to be a doctor and they say "Well of course not! I'm a doctor, I treat people, and I don't have medical training!"

The medical training and proper medical practice would be analogous to the coven - proper training in Wicca and proper practice in Wicca happens in a coven setting.  

[Bastemhet]

Collowrath

No. That's like asking someone if you have to have a degree to be a doctor and they say "Well of course not! I'm a doctor, I treat people, and I don't have medical training!"

The medical training and proper medical practice would be analogous to the coven - proper training in Wicca and proper practice in Wicca happens in a coven setting.

That's what I figured, but I wanted to make sure with people who are more familiar with how Wicca works than I am. Thanks for the response. Can anyone else put in their two cents? How might I explain this to the person without my stomping on whatever they believe they're doing, whether it's fanciful or not? Are there any accords or whatever that were agreed upon during the founding of Wicca that makes it necessary for the covens to be lineaged?  

[TeaDidikai]

Sophist

Are there any accords or whatever that were agreed upon during the founding of Wicca that makes it necessary for the covens to be lineaged?

Nope. In fact- Gardner used the term to mean Witch and vica versa. He also made false claims about the practice being synonymous with family trads that were not his own when he laid claim to Doreen being from a long family of witches and the like.

To say nothing of what appears to be a movement from some of the Wica to reclaim the title of Wica in place of Wicca in order to distinguish itself. Something I personally find quite honest.  

[Bastemhet]

TeaDidikai

Sophist

Are there any accords or whatever that were agreed upon during the founding of Wicca that makes it necessary for the covens to be lineaged?

Nope. In fact- Gardner used the term to mean Witch and vica versa. He also made false claims about the practice being synonymous with family trads that were not his own when he laid claim to Doreen being from a long family of witches and the like.

Then why is a coven that is not lineaged not considered truly Wiccan?

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To say nothing of what appears to be a movement from some of the Wica to reclaim the title of Wica in place of Wicca in order to distinguish itself. Something I personally find quite honest.

What would distinguish Wica from Wicca?

 

[TeaDidikai]

Sophist

Then why is a coven that is not lineaged not considered truly Wiccan?

Historically? Couldn't say where it started. Basically, the term was not clearly defined. That said, there was a lot of contention between those who followed Gardner, those who broke off from him, and those who emulated him in hopes of getting on his good side only to fail.

My best guess is that at some point rather than distinguishing between themselves and others, members of the Wica decided to lay claim to other people's titles in order to exclude others from being counted amongst their number.

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What would distinguish Wica from Wicca?

Lineage and continued Orthopraxy.

Not really an expert on this stuff. Just found an interesting thread on it a while ago.  

[Bastemhet]

TeaDidikai

Sophist

Then why is a coven that is not lineaged not considered truly Wiccan?

Historically? Couldn't say where it started. Basically, the term was not clearly defined. That said, there was a lot of contention between those who followed Gardner, those who broke off from him, and those who emulated him in hopes of getting on his good side only to fail.

My best guess is that at some point rather than distinguishing between themselves and others, members of the Wica decided to lay claim to other people's titles in order to exclude others from being counted amongst their number.

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What would distinguish Wica from Wicca?

Lineage and continued Orthopraxy.

Not really an expert on this stuff. Just found an interesting thread on it a while ago.

Interesting. Might you have a link?  

[TeaDidikai]

Sophist

Interesting. Might you have a link?

Nope. I just browsed it. Look in here and M&R. These are really the only two places I could have read it.  

[Bastemhet]

TeaDidikai

Sophist

Interesting. Might you have a link?

Nope. I just browsed it. Look in here and M&R. These are really the only two places I could have read it.

Nuts. Was hoping you posted so that I might look it up from your post history, but alas and alack. I guess I'll just wade through the fluff and posts on homosexuality. Thanks anyway.  

[Nines19]

Sophist

I admit I don't know much about Wicca at all, except that to be Wiccan you have to be accepted into a lineaged coven. However on another board someone disagreed and said they are part of a coven that is not lineaged, and that that is not a requirement to be an actual coven. Is this true?

There exist (as far as I'm aware) loads of covens that aren't lineaged to Wicca.
They just aren't Wiccan covens.  

[TeaDidikai]

Nines19

There exist (as far as I'm aware) loads of covens that aren't lineaged to Wicca.
They just aren't Wiccan covens.

Why?  

[Nines19]

TeaDidikai

Nines19

There exist (as far as I'm aware) loads of covens that aren't lineaged to Wicca.
They just aren't Wiccan covens.

Why?

They don't practice Wicca.  

[TeaDidikai]

Nines19

TeaDidikai

Nines19

There exist (as far as I'm aware) loads of covens that aren't lineaged to Wicca.
They just aren't Wiccan covens.

Why?

They don't practice Wicca.

They don't practice Wica.

What do you have that says they don't practice Wicca?  

[Nines19]

TeaDidikai

Nines19

TeaDidikai

Nines19

There exist (as far as I'm aware) loads of covens that aren't lineaged to Wicca.
They just aren't Wiccan covens.

Why?

They don't practice Wicca.

They don't practice Wica.

What do you have that says they don't practice Wicca?

Depending on how we're defining Wicca, the covens themselves.  

[patch99329]

TeaDidikai

Nines19

TeaDidikai

Nines19

There exist (as far as I'm aware) loads of covens that aren't lineaged to Wicca.
They just aren't Wiccan covens.

Why?

They don't practice Wicca.

They don't practice Wica.

What do you have that says they don't practice Wicca?

Surely the sudden change from telling people they arent practicing wicca to saying that they are, but not wica specifically; is going to cause great confusion?