The Colloquy of Two Sages
SAID FERCHERTNE A question, O instructing lad, whence hast thou come ?
NÉDE ANSWERED Not hard.(to say) from the heel of a sage, from a confluence of wisdom, from perfections of goodness, from brightness of sunrise, from the hazels of poetic art , from circuits of splendour, out of which they measure truth according to excellences, in which righteousness is taught, in which falsehood sets, in which colours are seen, in which poems are freshened. And thou, 0 my senior, whence hast thou come ?
FERCHERTNE ANSWERED Not hard (to say): along the columns of age, along the streams of Galion (Leinster), along the Sídhe [W. Stokes said "Elfmound"] of Nechtan's wife, along, the forearm of Nuada's wife, along the land of the sun (science), along the dwelling of the moon, along the young one's navel-string. A question, O instructing lad, what is thy name ?
NÉDE ANSWERS Not hard (to say): Very-small, very-great, very-bright (?), Very-hard. Angriness of fire, Fire of speech, Noise of knowledge, Well of wealth, Sword of song, Straight-artistic with bitterness (?) out of fire. And thou , O my senior, what is thy name?
FERCHERTNE ANSWERS Not hard (to say): Nearest in omens. Explanatory champion for declaration, (for) interrogatory. Inquiry of science Weft of art, Casket of poetry, Abundance from a sea. A question, O instructing lad, what art dost thou practise?
NÉDE ANSWERS Not hard to say: reddening, a countenance piercing flesh, tingeing bashfulness, tossing away shamelessness, fostering poetry, to searching for fame, wooing science, art for every mouth, diffusing knowledge, stripping speech, in a little room, a sage's cattle, a stream of science abundant teaching, smooth tales, the delight of kings. And thou , O my senior, what art dost thou practise?
FERCHERTNE ANSWERS hunting for support, establishing peace, arranging a troop, tribulation of young men, celebrating art, a pallet with a king, .... ing the Boyne, briamon smetrach, the shield of Athirne, a share of new wisdom from the stream of science fury of inspiration, structure of mind, art of small poems, clear arrangement, ruddy tales, a celebrated road a pearl in setting (?) succouring sciences after a poem.
FERCHERTNE SAID "A question, O instructing lad, what is it that thou undertakest ? "
NÉDE ANSWERS Not hard (to say) : (to go) into the plain of age, into the mountain of youth, into the hunting of age, into following a king (death ?), into an abode of clay, between candle and fire, between battle and its horror; among the mighty men of Tethra among the stations of... among the streams of knowledge. And thou, O my sage, what is it that thou undertakest ?
FERCHERTNE ANSWERS (to go) into the mountain of rank; into the communion of sciences, into the lands of the men of knowledge, into the breast of poetic revision, into the inver of bounties ; into the fair of the king's boar: into the small respect of new men: into the slopes of death (wherein is) abundance of great honours. A question, O instructing lad, what is the path thou hast come ?'
NÉDE ANSWERS Not hard (to say) on the white plain of knowledge, on a king's beard: on a wood of age: on the back of the ploughing-ox : on the light of a summer-moon: on goodly cheeses (mast and fruit): on dews of a goddess (corn and milk) on scarcity of corn on a ford (?) of fear on the thighs of a goodly abode. And thou, O my- senior, on what path hast thou come ?
FERCHERTNE ANSWERS Not hard (to say) : on Lugh's horserod (?). on the breasts of soft women: on the hair of a wood: on the head of a spear: on a gown of silver: on a chariot-frame without a tyre (?) on a tyre without a chariot: on the three ignorances of the Mac ind Óc. And thou, 0 instructing lad, of whom art thou son ?
NÉDE ANSWERS Not hard (to say): I am son of Poetry, Poetry son of Scrutiny, Scrutiny son of Meditation, Meditation son of Lore, Lore son of Enquiry, Enquiry son of Investigation, Investigation son of Great-Knowledge, Great-Knowledge son of Great-Sense, Great-Sense son of Understanding, Understanding son of Wisdom, Wisdom, son of the three gods of Poetry. And thou, 0 my senior, whose son art thou ?
FERCHERTNE ANSWERS Not hard (to say): I am son of the man who has been and was not born : he has been buried in his mother's womb: he has been baptized after death: his first presence, death, betrothed him: the first utterance of every living one: the cry of every dead one: lofty A is his name. A question, O instructing lad, hast thou tidings ?
NÉDE ANSWERS There are indeed: good tidings: sea fruitful, strand overrun, woods smile, wooden blades flee, fruit-trees flourish (?) cornfields grow, bee swamrs are many, a radiant world, happy peace, kindly summer, armies with pay, sunny kings, wondrous wisdom, battle goes away, every one to his (own) art, men to valour, needlework for women, munbrec láith, treasures laugh, valour abundant, every art complete, fair every good man, good every tiding, tidings good. And thou, O my senior, hast thou tidings ?
FERCHERTNE ANSWERS I have indeed: tidings terrible evil the time which will always be: wherein chiefs will be many, wherein honours will be few: the living will quash fair judgments. The cattle of the world will be barren. Men will cast off modesty. The champions of great lords will go. Men will be bad: (lawful) kings will be few: usurpers will be many Disgraces will be crowds: every man will be blemished. Chariots will perish along the race-course. Foes will consume Niall's plains. Truth will not safeguard wealth (excellence ?) Sentries round churches will be fought. Every art will be buffoonery Every falsehood will be chosen. Every one will pass out of his (proper) state through pride and arrogance, so that neither rank nor (old) age, nor honour, nor dignity, nor art, nor instruction will be served. Every skilful person will be broken. Every king will be a pauper. Every noble will be contemned: every baseborn will be set up, so that neither God nor man will be worshipped. (Lawful) princes will perish before usurpers by oppressions (?) of the men of the black spears. Belief will be destroyed. Offerings will be disturbed. Floors will gone under (by housebreakers). Cells will be undermined. Churches will be burnt. Niggardly storerooms will be laid waste. Inhospitality will destroy flowers. Though false judgments fruits will fall. His path (in winter to his hospitallers) will perish for every one. Hounds will inflict conflicts on bodies, so that every one will ... upon his following through darkness and grudge and niggardliness. At the end of the final world (there will be) a refuge to poverty and stinginess and grudging. Many controversies (will there be) with artists. Every one will buy a lampooner to lampoon on his behalf. Every one will impose a limit on another. On every hilltop treachery will adventure, so that neither bed nor oath will protect. Every one will hurt his neighbour: so that every brother will betray another. Every one will slay his companion at drinking-together and eating-together, so that there will be neither truth nor honour nor soul there. niggards will shrivel (?) one another for their number. usurpers will satirise one another with storm of every darkness. Ranks will be spilt: clericisms will be forgotten: sages will be despised. Music will turn into boors. Championship will turn to cells and clerics. Wisdom will be turned into false judgments. A lord's law will turn upon the Church. Evil will pass into the points of croziers. Every sexual connexion will turn into adultery. Great pride and great free-will will turn into the sons of peasants and churls. Great niggardise and great inhospitality and great penuriousness will turn into landholders, so that their poems will be dark. Great skill in embroidery will pass to fools and harlots, so that garments will be expected without colours. Wrong judgments will pass into kings and lords. Undutifulness and anger will pass into every one's mind, so that neither bondslaves nor handmaids will serve their masters; so that neither kings nor lords will hear the prayers of their tribes or their judgments; so that the erenaghs [managers of church lands] will not listen to their tenants and their communities; so that the tributary will not endure (to pay) compensation to his lord for his due; so that the ecclesiastical tenant will not serve from his property his church and his lawful abbot; so that the wife will not endure her first-husband's word over her; so that the sons and daughters will not serve their fathers or their mothers; so that pupils will not rise up (respectfully) before their teachers. Every one will turn his art into false teaching and false intelligence, to seek to surpass his teacher; so that the junior may like to be seated while his senior is above his head (standing), so that it will be no shame with king or lord who shall go to special eating or special drinking in front of his comrade who will serve him, or in front of his retinue and his company which will come to him; so that there will be no shame with a farmer who is eating after closing his house against the artist who sells his honour and his soul for a cloak and for food: so that every one at special eating and special drinking will turn his cheek to his comrade; so that greed will fill every human being: so that the proud man will sell his honour and his soul for the price of one scruple. Modesty will be cast off: folks will be contemned: lords will be destroyed: ranks will be despised: Sunday will be degraded: Ietters will be forgotten: poets will not be produced. Righteousness will be removed: false judgments will be manifested by the usurpers of the final world: fruits after appearing will be burnt up by a flood of outlanders and rabble. 0n every territory will be an excessive number. Districts will be extended into uplands. Every forest will become a great plain: every great plain will become a forest. Every one will slave with all his family. Thereafter will come many hurtful diseases: sudden awful tempests: lightning with cries of trees (struck by thunderbolts). winter leafy, summer gloomy, autumn without crops, spring without flowers Mortality with famine. Diseases on cattle: bedgacha (staggers ?), scamacha, murrains, dropsies, milliuda, lumps, agues. Estrays without profit: hiding-places without treasures: great goods without men (to consume them ) Extinction of championship. Failure on cornfields. Perjurers. Judgments with anger. A death of three days and three nights on two thirds of human beings. A third of those plagues on beasts of sea and forest. Then will come seven years after lamentation. Flowers will perish. In every house there will be wailing. Outlanders will consume the plain of Erin. Men will tend men. A conflict will go round Cnámchoill. Fair stammerers will be slain. Daughters will conceive to their fathers. Contests will be fought round famous places. There will be desolation round the heights of the Isle of meadowy plains. The sea will break over every country at inhabiting the Land of Promise. Ireland will be left seven years before the Judgment. It will be mournful after slaughters. Thereafter will come the signs of Antichrist's birth. In every tribe monsters will be born. Streampools will turn against streams. Horsedung (?) will turn into gold-colours. Water will turn into tastes wine. Mountains will turn into perfect lands. Bogs will turn into flowery clover. Swarms of bees will be burnt among uplands. The floodtides of the sea will delay from one day to another. Thereafter seven dark years will come. They will hide the lamps of heaven. At the perishing of the world they will go into the presence of Judgment. It will be the Judgment, my son. Great tidings, awful tidings, an evil time ! Said Ferchertne: Knowest thou, O little (in age), great (in knowledge), O son of Adnae, who is above thee ?
NÉDE ANSWERS Easy (to say). I know my God creative. l know my wisest of prophets. I know my hazel of poetry. I know my mighty God. I know that Ferchertne is a great poet and a prophet. The lad then kneels to him. Thereat Néde flings to Ferchertne the poet's robe, which he put from him, and he rose out of the poet's seat, wherein he was, to cast himself under Ferchertne's feet. Thereupon Ferchertne said:
DIXIT FERCHERTNE Stay, O little (in age), great (in knowledge), son of Adnae !
DIXIT FERCHERTNE Said Ferchertne: Stay then, thou poet great, to wit, in science, O son of Adnae ! mayst thou be magnified (.and) glorified! mayst thou be famous (and) adorned in the opinion of man and God ! mayst thou be a casket of poetry ! mayst thou be a king's arm ! mayst thou be a rock of ollaves ! mayst thou be the glory of Emain ! mayst thou be the higher than every one !
SAID NÉDE Mayst thou thyself be so (?) under the same title ! a tree of one butt: he is at the same time a male (?) without destruction. a casket of poetry: an expression of new wisdom: he is the intellect of the perfect folk: father by son: son by father. Three fathers are read of therein, to wit, a father in age, a fleshly father, a father of teaching. My fleshly father remains not. My father of teaching is not in presence. 'Tis thou art my father in age. I acknowledge thee as such (?) Mayst thou thyself be it (?)
NÉDE ANSWERED Not hard.(to say) from the heel of a sage, from a confluence of wisdom, from perfections of goodness, from brightness of sunrise, from the hazels of poetic art , from circuits of splendour, out of which they measure truth according to excellences, in which righteousness is taught, in which falsehood sets, in which colours are seen, in which poems are freshened. And thou, 0 my senior, whence hast thou come ?
FERCHERTNE ANSWERED Not hard (to say): along the columns of age, along the streams of Galion (Leinster), along the Sídhe [W. Stokes said "Elfmound"] of Nechtan's wife, along, the forearm of Nuada's wife, along the land of the sun (science), along the dwelling of the moon, along the young one's navel-string. A question, O instructing lad, what is thy name ?
NÉDE ANSWERS Not hard (to say): Very-small, very-great, very-bright (?), Very-hard. Angriness of fire, Fire of speech, Noise of knowledge, Well of wealth, Sword of song, Straight-artistic with bitterness (?) out of fire. And thou , O my senior, what is thy name?
FERCHERTNE ANSWERS Not hard (to say): Nearest in omens. Explanatory champion for declaration, (for) interrogatory. Inquiry of science Weft of art, Casket of poetry, Abundance from a sea. A question, O instructing lad, what art dost thou practise?
NÉDE ANSWERS Not hard to say: reddening, a countenance piercing flesh, tingeing bashfulness, tossing away shamelessness, fostering poetry, to searching for fame, wooing science, art for every mouth, diffusing knowledge, stripping speech, in a little room, a sage's cattle, a stream of science abundant teaching, smooth tales, the delight of kings. And thou , O my senior, what art dost thou practise?
FERCHERTNE ANSWERS hunting for support, establishing peace, arranging a troop, tribulation of young men, celebrating art, a pallet with a king, .... ing the Boyne, briamon smetrach, the shield of Athirne, a share of new wisdom from the stream of science fury of inspiration, structure of mind, art of small poems, clear arrangement, ruddy tales, a celebrated road a pearl in setting (?) succouring sciences after a poem.
FERCHERTNE SAID "A question, O instructing lad, what is it that thou undertakest ? "
NÉDE ANSWERS Not hard (to say) : (to go) into the plain of age, into the mountain of youth, into the hunting of age, into following a king (death ?), into an abode of clay, between candle and fire, between battle and its horror; among the mighty men of Tethra among the stations of... among the streams of knowledge. And thou, O my sage, what is it that thou undertakest ?
FERCHERTNE ANSWERS (to go) into the mountain of rank; into the communion of sciences, into the lands of the men of knowledge, into the breast of poetic revision, into the inver of bounties ; into the fair of the king's boar: into the small respect of new men: into the slopes of death (wherein is) abundance of great honours. A question, O instructing lad, what is the path thou hast come ?'
NÉDE ANSWERS Not hard (to say) on the white plain of knowledge, on a king's beard: on a wood of age: on the back of the ploughing-ox : on the light of a summer-moon: on goodly cheeses (mast and fruit): on dews of a goddess (corn and milk) on scarcity of corn on a ford (?) of fear on the thighs of a goodly abode. And thou, O my- senior, on what path hast thou come ?
FERCHERTNE ANSWERS Not hard (to say) : on Lugh's horserod (?). on the breasts of soft women: on the hair of a wood: on the head of a spear: on a gown of silver: on a chariot-frame without a tyre (?) on a tyre without a chariot: on the three ignorances of the Mac ind Óc. And thou, 0 instructing lad, of whom art thou son ?
NÉDE ANSWERS Not hard (to say): I am son of Poetry, Poetry son of Scrutiny, Scrutiny son of Meditation, Meditation son of Lore, Lore son of Enquiry, Enquiry son of Investigation, Investigation son of Great-Knowledge, Great-Knowledge son of Great-Sense, Great-Sense son of Understanding, Understanding son of Wisdom, Wisdom, son of the three gods of Poetry. And thou, 0 my senior, whose son art thou ?
FERCHERTNE ANSWERS Not hard (to say): I am son of the man who has been and was not born : he has been buried in his mother's womb: he has been baptized after death: his first presence, death, betrothed him: the first utterance of every living one: the cry of every dead one: lofty A is his name. A question, O instructing lad, hast thou tidings ?
NÉDE ANSWERS There are indeed: good tidings: sea fruitful, strand overrun, woods smile, wooden blades flee, fruit-trees flourish (?) cornfields grow, bee swamrs are many, a radiant world, happy peace, kindly summer, armies with pay, sunny kings, wondrous wisdom, battle goes away, every one to his (own) art, men to valour, needlework for women, munbrec láith, treasures laugh, valour abundant, every art complete, fair every good man, good every tiding, tidings good. And thou, O my senior, hast thou tidings ?
FERCHERTNE ANSWERS I have indeed: tidings terrible evil the time which will always be: wherein chiefs will be many, wherein honours will be few: the living will quash fair judgments. The cattle of the world will be barren. Men will cast off modesty. The champions of great lords will go. Men will be bad: (lawful) kings will be few: usurpers will be many Disgraces will be crowds: every man will be blemished. Chariots will perish along the race-course. Foes will consume Niall's plains. Truth will not safeguard wealth (excellence ?) Sentries round churches will be fought. Every art will be buffoonery Every falsehood will be chosen. Every one will pass out of his (proper) state through pride and arrogance, so that neither rank nor (old) age, nor honour, nor dignity, nor art, nor instruction will be served. Every skilful person will be broken. Every king will be a pauper. Every noble will be contemned: every baseborn will be set up, so that neither God nor man will be worshipped. (Lawful) princes will perish before usurpers by oppressions (?) of the men of the black spears. Belief will be destroyed. Offerings will be disturbed. Floors will gone under (by housebreakers). Cells will be undermined. Churches will be burnt. Niggardly storerooms will be laid waste. Inhospitality will destroy flowers. Though false judgments fruits will fall. His path (in winter to his hospitallers) will perish for every one. Hounds will inflict conflicts on bodies, so that every one will ... upon his following through darkness and grudge and niggardliness. At the end of the final world (there will be) a refuge to poverty and stinginess and grudging. Many controversies (will there be) with artists. Every one will buy a lampooner to lampoon on his behalf. Every one will impose a limit on another. On every hilltop treachery will adventure, so that neither bed nor oath will protect. Every one will hurt his neighbour: so that every brother will betray another. Every one will slay his companion at drinking-together and eating-together, so that there will be neither truth nor honour nor soul there. niggards will shrivel (?) one another for their number. usurpers will satirise one another with storm of every darkness. Ranks will be spilt: clericisms will be forgotten: sages will be despised. Music will turn into boors. Championship will turn to cells and clerics. Wisdom will be turned into false judgments. A lord's law will turn upon the Church. Evil will pass into the points of croziers. Every sexual connexion will turn into adultery. Great pride and great free-will will turn into the sons of peasants and churls. Great niggardise and great inhospitality and great penuriousness will turn into landholders, so that their poems will be dark. Great skill in embroidery will pass to fools and harlots, so that garments will be expected without colours. Wrong judgments will pass into kings and lords. Undutifulness and anger will pass into every one's mind, so that neither bondslaves nor handmaids will serve their masters; so that neither kings nor lords will hear the prayers of their tribes or their judgments; so that the erenaghs [managers of church lands] will not listen to their tenants and their communities; so that the tributary will not endure (to pay) compensation to his lord for his due; so that the ecclesiastical tenant will not serve from his property his church and his lawful abbot; so that the wife will not endure her first-husband's word over her; so that the sons and daughters will not serve their fathers or their mothers; so that pupils will not rise up (respectfully) before their teachers. Every one will turn his art into false teaching and false intelligence, to seek to surpass his teacher; so that the junior may like to be seated while his senior is above his head (standing), so that it will be no shame with king or lord who shall go to special eating or special drinking in front of his comrade who will serve him, or in front of his retinue and his company which will come to him; so that there will be no shame with a farmer who is eating after closing his house against the artist who sells his honour and his soul for a cloak and for food: so that every one at special eating and special drinking will turn his cheek to his comrade; so that greed will fill every human being: so that the proud man will sell his honour and his soul for the price of one scruple. Modesty will be cast off: folks will be contemned: lords will be destroyed: ranks will be despised: Sunday will be degraded: Ietters will be forgotten: poets will not be produced. Righteousness will be removed: false judgments will be manifested by the usurpers of the final world: fruits after appearing will be burnt up by a flood of outlanders and rabble. 0n every territory will be an excessive number. Districts will be extended into uplands. Every forest will become a great plain: every great plain will become a forest. Every one will slave with all his family. Thereafter will come many hurtful diseases: sudden awful tempests: lightning with cries of trees (struck by thunderbolts). winter leafy, summer gloomy, autumn without crops, spring without flowers Mortality with famine. Diseases on cattle: bedgacha (staggers ?), scamacha, murrains, dropsies, milliuda, lumps, agues. Estrays without profit: hiding-places without treasures: great goods without men (to consume them ) Extinction of championship. Failure on cornfields. Perjurers. Judgments with anger. A death of three days and three nights on two thirds of human beings. A third of those plagues on beasts of sea and forest. Then will come seven years after lamentation. Flowers will perish. In every house there will be wailing. Outlanders will consume the plain of Erin. Men will tend men. A conflict will go round Cnámchoill. Fair stammerers will be slain. Daughters will conceive to their fathers. Contests will be fought round famous places. There will be desolation round the heights of the Isle of meadowy plains. The sea will break over every country at inhabiting the Land of Promise. Ireland will be left seven years before the Judgment. It will be mournful after slaughters. Thereafter will come the signs of Antichrist's birth. In every tribe monsters will be born. Streampools will turn against streams. Horsedung (?) will turn into gold-colours. Water will turn into tastes wine. Mountains will turn into perfect lands. Bogs will turn into flowery clover. Swarms of bees will be burnt among uplands. The floodtides of the sea will delay from one day to another. Thereafter seven dark years will come. They will hide the lamps of heaven. At the perishing of the world they will go into the presence of Judgment. It will be the Judgment, my son. Great tidings, awful tidings, an evil time ! Said Ferchertne: Knowest thou, O little (in age), great (in knowledge), O son of Adnae, who is above thee ?
NÉDE ANSWERS Easy (to say). I know my God creative. l know my wisest of prophets. I know my hazel of poetry. I know my mighty God. I know that Ferchertne is a great poet and a prophet. The lad then kneels to him. Thereat Néde flings to Ferchertne the poet's robe, which he put from him, and he rose out of the poet's seat, wherein he was, to cast himself under Ferchertne's feet. Thereupon Ferchertne said:
DIXIT FERCHERTNE Stay, O little (in age), great (in knowledge), son of Adnae !
DIXIT FERCHERTNE Said Ferchertne: Stay then, thou poet great, to wit, in science, O son of Adnae ! mayst thou be magnified (.and) glorified! mayst thou be famous (and) adorned in the opinion of man and God ! mayst thou be a casket of poetry ! mayst thou be a king's arm ! mayst thou be a rock of ollaves ! mayst thou be the glory of Emain ! mayst thou be the higher than every one !
SAID NÉDE Mayst thou thyself be so (?) under the same title ! a tree of one butt: he is at the same time a male (?) without destruction. a casket of poetry: an expression of new wisdom: he is the intellect of the perfect folk: father by son: son by father. Three fathers are read of therein, to wit, a father in age, a fleshly father, a father of teaching. My fleshly father remains not. My father of teaching is not in presence. 'Tis thou art my father in age. I acknowledge thee as such (?) Mayst thou thyself be it (?)
I figured I'd leave this here for two reasons.
It allows me cite it any point in future that we get a bréagdraoi in here and it allows me quote it very easily.
Also. It doubles as a pool. Will that post get me banned. I have read and agreed to the forum rules and I believe I have obeyed them. My tone was not aggressive, I was not trying to incite trouble and I kept it as short as I could.
Buy in is 100 gold. Pool ends at first moderator response.
As I am directly inolved, I will not be partaking of the pool. To make things interesting, though, I'm going to add 50,000 gold to the pool.
