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Bright Creature murphyad wait i think you have it backwards the heroines from the older ones are the helpless princesses whereas now they are stronger, like the Allana books and Calling on Dragon series. I agree with this one.. although you might just be talking about Disney.. which isn't "real" fantasy to me anyway. LOTS of smart heroinnes in fantasy today.. any Laura Hamilton book, The Deed of Paksenarrion, Mountains Call, The FireKeeper series.. and on and on.
These are not fairy tales, but fantasy stories. There is a difference between the two.
Fairy tale-- a fictional story that illustrates morals/desirable character traits and usually features folkloric characters and enchantments, often involving a far-fetched sequence of events. Fantasy-- a genre that uses magic and other supernatural forms as a primary element of plot, theme, and/or setting.
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:32 am
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Maze353 Bright Creature murphyad wait i think you have it backwards the heroines from the older ones are the helpless princesses whereas now they are stronger, like the Allana books and Calling on Dragon series. I agree with this one.. although you might just be talking about Disney.. which isn't "real" fantasy to me anyway. LOTS of smart heroinnes in fantasy today.. any Laura Hamilton book, The Deed of Paksenarrion, Mountains Call, The FireKeeper series.. and on and on. These are not fairy tales, but fantasy stories. There is a difference between the two. Fairy tale-- a fictional story that illustrates morals/desirable character traits and usually features folkloric characters and enchantments, often involving a far-fetched sequence of events. Fantasy-- a genre that uses magic and other supernatural forms as a primary element of plot, theme, and/or setting.
woops!
i know the diffs i just wasn't paying attention
OK, in that case Deerskin, The Spindle and The Thread, Beauty , and several others by Robin McKinley
that 's all i know for the modern attempts at Faerie Tales just offhand. if I wrack my brain im sure to come up with more.
we should also keep in mind that so many faerie tales are passed on rather than attributed to any particular author (unlike Grimm bros and Hans Christian Anderson, etc) and again, i still don't think we can call the disney stuff true faerie tales for the most part... since mostly all they are, are bad retellings of older stories (and mainly designed to make money and not to make a moral message).
Sorry for not reading closely enough sweatdrop
Anyway, i think my argument still stands for the most part; modern myth makers and folklorists alike are presenting their heroinnes in a more sophisticated light... unlike many writers of the 1950s mentality
Also, I'm not sure what you mean when you say "modern. Cinderella has been around for centuries.
Check this out
Wiki Article The Cinderella theme may have well originated in classical antiquity: The Greek historian Strabo (Geographica Book 17, 1.33) recorded in the 1st century BC the tale of the Greco-Egyptian girl Rhodopis, which is considered the oldest known version of the story.[2] Rhodopis (the "rosy-cheeked") washes her clothes in an Ormoc stream, a task forced upon her by fellow servants, who have left to go to a function sponsored by the Pharaoh Amasis. An eagle takes her rose-gilded sandal and drops it at the feet of the Pharaoh in the city of Memphis; he then asks the women of his kingdom to try on the sandal to see which one fits. Rhodopis succeeds. The Pharaoh falls in love with her, and she marries him. The story later reappears with Aelian (ca. 175–ca. 235),[3] showing that the Cinderella theme remained popular throughout antiquity. Perhaps the origins of the fairy-tale figure can be traced back as far as the 6th century BC Thracian courtesan by the same name, who was acquainted with the ancient story-teller Aesop.[4]
and it goes on.
The article points out the the name Cinderella itself means "one who unexpectedly achieves recognition or success after a period of obscurity and neglect. " So not doing anything for oneself in this makes a good deal of sense when you consider that feelings of shame and low self worth would have been a factor (not to mention the fact that the Cinderella we know today was worked to the bone by her wicked step sisters. Who has time to do anythign for oneself?).
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:30 pm
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NightIntent Maze353 MinervaEvenstar I think there are more strong heroines nowadays, like in Tamora Pierce's works, then there were in past eras when women were forbidden to fight in wars and be actors on stage. Nonetheless, no matter what generation mankind progresses into there will invariably be damsels in distress because many girls actually want a strong man that will keep them safe.
Why is everyone picking on Disney? Beauty and the Beast and The Lion King are two of the GREATEST MOVIES EVER!!! What about Mulan and Lilo? They're girls that wind up saving everyone. 3nodding Men are so stupid sometimes. When the men were all at war who do they think defended their holdings from raiders? Hahaha. Protector of the Small reference, right? Nice~ That was the woman who managed the place where Kel stayed, right? I forget her name.
I'm glad someone got that. I'd feel like such a nerd emo . I can't remember her name either.
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Maze353 NightIntent Maze353 MinervaEvenstar I think there are more strong heroines nowadays, like in Tamora Pierce's works, then there were in past eras when women were forbidden to fight in wars and be actors on stage. Nonetheless, no matter what generation mankind progresses into there will invariably be damsels in distress because many girls actually want a strong man that will keep them safe.
Why is everyone picking on Disney? Beauty and the Beast and The Lion King are two of the GREATEST MOVIES EVER!!! What about Mulan and Lilo? They're girls that wind up saving everyone. 3nodding Men are so stupid sometimes. When the men were all at war who do they think defended their holdings from raiders? Hahaha. Protector of the Small reference, right? Nice~ That was the woman who managed the place where Kel stayed, right? I forget her name. I'm glad someone got that. I'd feel like such a nerd emo . I can't remember her name either. I know how that is. It always sucks when no one gets the reference. Now her name is gonna bug is. Is it something with a Z? For some reason, I'm convinced that it is. Gah. And all my Protector of the Small books are at home, too.
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