Finnish metal (HIM, Lordi, 69 Eyes etc...)

[Nockz the Dark Cellist]

Anyone here notice how much gothic elements there are in Finnish metal? Well it's odd, I really like finnish metal cuz alot of it is "melodical" metal which I think is gothic for some bizarre reason. Now the bands that portray this image;
Nightwish
The 69 Eyes (Helsinki vampires)
Apocalyptica
HIM
The Rasmus
Lordi
Ensiferum (folk metal which is more like the trad meaning of goth lol)
Sonata Arctica
Norther (melodic death metal)
Lordi (Eurovision winners, closest thing to goths ever in the competition)

The list goes on and on...
Care to share your views on this topic? ^^  

[GilAskan]

None of the bands you listed are goth musically... at all.

Gothic in a thematic sense? Maybe, but really, it's pretty popular everywhere. It's just more popular in the Finnish hard-rock scene right now than in other places.  

[Nockz the Dark Cellist]

Actually The 69 Eyes are Gothic Rock (or Gotn 'n' Roll) and HIM are also gothic rock.

More bands that bare gothic in genre;
Cyan Velvet Project
Entwine
Embraze
For My Pain...
New Dawn Foundation
Poisonblack
Reflexion
Shamrain
To/Die/For
Let Me Dream
Serenity's End
Saralee
Silentium
Sinamore

I am just unfamiliar with all those ones lol ^^  

[Disease of the Flesh]

I just LOVE Lordi! And like The 69 Eyes, The Rasmus, TO/DIE/FOR, Nightwish, Ensiferum and Therion(but it is swedish). Those bands are pretty good too listen too and those bands are bands that my friends also know(in comparison with 'real' goth bands)

Finland and Germany grow the best bands.  

[Sinister Kung Fu]

Nockz the Dark Cellist

Actually The 69 Eyes are Gothic Rock (or Gotn 'n' Roll) and HIM are also gothic rock.

More bands that bare gothic in genre;
Cyan Velvet Project
Entwine
Embraze
For My Pain...
New Dawn Foundation
Poisonblack
Reflexion
Shamrain
To/Die/For
Let Me Dream
Serenity's End
Saralee
Silentium
Sinamore

I am just unfamiliar with all those ones lol ^^

Wow.
All that and you didn't list a single goth band.  

[Nockz the Dark Cellist]

Ok ok my source wasn't the best *coughs and quickly mutters wiki* but perhaps instead my list contains music that goths like. Does that mean its technically listed as being gothic? no.

And try tell me why Nightwish has a mostly goth following  

[Sinister Kung Fu]

Nockz the Dark Cellist

Ok ok my source wasn't the best *coughs and quickly mutters wiki* but perhaps instead my list contains music that goths like. Does that mean its technically listed as being gothic? no.

And try tell me why Nightwish has a mostly goth following

It doesn't. They're a metal band. They have a mostly metalhead following, mixed in with a bunch of mallgoffs.  

[Rellik San]

Nockz the Dark Cellist

Anyone here notice how much gothic elements there are in Finnish metal? Well it's odd, I really like finnish metal cuz alot of it is "melodical" metal which I think is gothic for some bizarre reason. Now the bands that portray this image;
Nightwish
The 69 Eyes (Helsinki vampires)
Apocalyptica
HIM
The Rasmus
Lordi
Ensiferum (folk metal which is more like the trad meaning of goth lol)
Sonata Arctica
Norther (melodic death metal)
Lordi (Eurovision winners, closest thing to goths ever in the competition)

The list goes on and on...
Care to share your views on this topic? ^^

And they even qualify as good since when?

They even qualify as metal since when?

And as for Lordi, I take it you didn't see the German entry that year, given they were a female fronted metal band in the style of Lacuna Coil, which is more gothy then Lordi.  

[Nockz the Dark Cellist]

I thought the germans had a jazz band.... Or was that this years entry?

Edit: Am the entry germany had the year Lordi won was a country western looking band that had a song called “no, no, lightning” or something.
You were referring to the germans 2005 entry, a year before Lordi. I didn't like the vocals for that song... It just didn't sound right in my opinion with all that note bending. But yeah I'll admit they acquired a more gothic style than that of finland's winners  

[alice from weirdland]

Honestly...

I see no similarities between Finnish Metal and Goth.

Plus, HIM aren't even close to goth.

 

[Sinister Kung Fu]

If you want to listen to some real goth from Finland, try Musta Paraati, Suruaika, Ultranoir, Psyyke, Kuudes Tunti, Two Witches, or Angelica Kult

Musta Paraati - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORn1ZZSyn8Q  

[doom1000]

Sinister Kung Fu

Nockz the Dark Cellist

Ok ok my source wasn't the best *coughs and quickly mutters wiki* but perhaps instead my list contains music that goths like. Does that mean its technically listed as being gothic? no.

And try tell me why Nightwish has a mostly goth following

It doesn't. They're a metal band. They have a mostly metalhead following, mixed in with a bunch of mallgoffs.

the people that i know who listens to nightwish, is goth´s... and not just mallgoths. And no, they dont label themself as goths

and why does it matter anyway if a bunch of mallgoths listens to it?  

[Rashaverak]

Does classification really matter that much anyway?

If it sounds good and you enjoy listening to it, unless you have some fastamagorical order to your CD collection, whether its Finnish, goth or heavy metal shouldn't really make a difference in labeling its main listeners.

Does listening to Bob Marley make you a stoner? No.

Does listening to The Beatles make you a hippy? No.

Does listening to Green Day make you a moron? No. (J/k, low blow there.)  

[Rellik San]

Rashaverak

Does classification really matter that much anyway?

If it sounds good and you enjoy listening to it, unless you have some fastamagorical order to your CD collection, whether its Finnish, goth or heavy metal shouldn't really make a difference in labeling its main listeners.

Does listening to Bob Marley make you a stoner? No.

Does listening to The Beatles make you a hippy? No.

Does listening to Green Day make you a moron? No. (J/k, low blow there.)

Does listening to Bob Marley make you a stoner? No. Listening to 10cc does.

Does listening to The Beatles make you a hippy? No. Listening to Hawkwind does.

Does listening to Green Day make you a moron? No. Listening to Bink 182 does.

Just out of interest how did you get 'hippy' from the beatles given they were a pop and rock band? You know, am I missing a link here or what?  

[The Dadalorian]

nightwish is norwegian