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You know, it could be, but regardless of the label you are who you are and should find people who are like you and like you for who you are.

It might not have been entirely consious, but that doesn't matter. Something about this culture must have attracted you, something that other cultures didn't have. If goth is just "who you are" as you say, then it's natural you were atracted to it. Maybe you were looking for an odd crowd, and you just happened to fit in with us sweetie!

The gifted are just as abnormal as the retarded and very similar is ways.

Mensa is just an organisation for "intelligensia" to ponce around thinking they're so much more intelligent than others because they can be measured in an IQ test highly.
IQ tests are not objective, they're subjective, they only tell you how well you do in IQ tests, not how intelligent you are.

They don't measure musical genius, nor artistic genius, or any other type of non-intellectual genius. Would you not call Rachmaninov, Beethoven or Mozart geniuses? What if they scored low on IQ tests? Same with the likes of Raphael, Bottcelli, Michelangelo?

Enough mensa and iq bashing. I now remove my soapbox from your thread *appologies*


But, if you do test high on them, it does show you will generally do well academically, and so could very well have a bright future.

Taking a tangent (back on topic), I've seen many-a-alternative person taking university physics degrees, tehre seems to a correlation with being 'gifted'/intelligent and prefering the fringe subcultures, probably something in that.

You know what makes me laugh, this thing of children being smarter then the average adult now... it sounds amazing at first, but then consider it, children these days have access to resources most adults could only have dreamed of, such as high speed internet, multiple channels devoted to documentaries and high end PC's that can run advanced theoretical applications.

Now smarts are apparently genetic, so imagine the parents had these tools also, would the kids seem so smart if their education and tools for education was on par with their parents... I doubt it some how.

Of course this could just be the British thing of complaining.... "ohhh more and more people are getting top marks in A-Levels... rather then patting them on the back for working hard, we must make the tests harder."

Hence first, why I said 'supposedly' because little research has been done into this.

I also maintain that education thusly intelligence, at the least on an academic level, has been made easier by the advent of advanced communication networks which offer more collected knowledge then any library in more languages then any international conference. Lets face it, intelligence in an academic regard is largely effected by the environment the person has around them. Which circles me round to my original point, that the world at large today equips children with advantages most people over the age of 20 never had.

Then tell that to the television executives that run shows like "Are you smarter then a 10 year old?" and "Is your child a genius?" (actual shows here in the UK).

Well you have to know most goths are smarter then other people. I also see that on my school. Just normal alternative people have a lower education then me and 3 other goths at my school, who are doing the highest education possible(to get to university). So I just think you are goth for a reason maybe even. I am also gifted and also didn't fit in.

My first 12 school years I didn't have any real friends and just loved to be alone, till I met some nice people in the alternative section of our school. That was also the time I realized what I really was, a goth. I used to deny it. Till I was 15 1/2. That makes me a really late goth. But I have been listening to goth music since I was 10, was interested in goth clothing and I had a kind of morbid fascination(I used to tie up naked barbies, and make them bleed with tomato ketchup. When I was 7/8/9 ) of which I didn't realize I had it till I was 14.