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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:24 pm
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So- this is going to be an ongoing thread about Ceremonial Magic, alt-religious scenes, Thelema and the magic and mysticism in YHVH's faiths.
Does this belong in the Rehab Guild?
Rehab Guild Home Welcome! This guild is for those Gaian Pagans who have been afflicted with the dreaded Fluffy Bunny curse, for those who are interested in helping the FBs on their way to becoming at least seminormal Pagans, or for anyone who has a question on various types of Paganism, divination, or anything like that. You can ask questions, give advice, or simply chat.
I'd argue that "anything like that" includes CM.
Now- I know we had/have at least two CMers in the guild I respect. I hope this draws out more.
But for now- I'm going to start off simple and slow:
Given that the bulk of Western Civ is raised in a YHVH-Faith-Based Household, I am curious why more people who were raised in such households did not look into CM before leaving the faith. I realize that for a lot of people, they leave because they aren't "filled" or because they are interested in magic, or are called elsewhere- but for those who are searching, or for those who had problems with the Fan Club and not the god- why not look into CM?
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:42 pm
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The quality of a deity is reflected in the followers that it deigns to allow.
There are a fair number of people who left in disgust... Disgust at the fan club... which easily becomes discuss for the entity that allows it.
I'm not even going to touch on my Christianity isn't exactly a YHVH based faith arguement... it's old and not terribly interesting anyway.
There are many allegedly God of Abraham worshipping households where ignorance is the watch word of all matters beyound accepted sciences. Willfull ignorance... or, more often, demonization. When the only human sources one has for the will of their deity (especially in a revelatory faith, where direct gnosis is scripturally supported) say that all such studies are satanic... it makes reconciling the two difficult. By the time the seeker has learned that they were being fed personal prejudices and fears, some of which directly contradict the scripture of the faith... they have become so disillusioned with the whole quagmire that they want nothing more to do with it. Further, they may wish a disassociation from what they previously were.
Also, aside from the salad bar style practiced by Golden Dawn inheritors, a fair amount of Ceremonial Magic is entirely secular. It has nothing to do with divinities (save possibly personal apotheosis), at least not on a worshipful level. Deities, especially law based ones like YHVH, take on more and more trappings of the shackles that are holding the mystic down, preventing him/her from realizing the truth... The Fruit of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden being a forbidden delicacy takes on a whole new meaning... It ceases to be original sin... and it becomes an act of repression... the consumption of that fruit was no evil... it was children of Shem's first steps to gaining their birthright... to realizing a potential their maker never desired them to have. As one gains more in the way of Gnosis (and by this I mean True Sacred Knowledge... Divine Knowledge... that which would be considered the realm of divinities) other beings may seem less and less relevent. Reverence becomes resentment or respect... not respect for something greater... but respect for a peer. And I have found few of our prideful Western Civilizations who will bow in supplication to a peer with anything save resentment.
And then there are the entities out there which get pissy for being called on their BS. And there's nothing quite as funny as an impotent godling ranting and raving. whee
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 3:52 pm
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:26 pm
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 6:54 am
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:33 am
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:09 pm
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Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:26 pm
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