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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 7:00 pm
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xx I met my fate xx Last Trickster Prince kujjles It's certainly looking like it to me. I misread some of the prices (that happens when you pull an all nighter to clean out your room completely XD What if we were to use the cheapest skin? Maybe the Zombie 2k8 potion? It's literally the cheapest and I think turning into zombies would send a message. Or the sopa censorship item. Or both.
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:59 pm
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:44 pm
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Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:52 pm
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Alexius08 The change happened started last year. The questionable changes we've seen so far are: 1. Section 3, where it said that they can shut down the site without prior notice and that it's our responsibility to check for changes in the ToS that they make without telling us beforehand. It also tells us to quit if we disagree with the changes. 2. Section 4a used to protect only members of Gaia from harassment. It has been changed to include Gaia's employees and third parties. 3. Section 4q, a new addition, can be invoked to remove posts that contain the real name of he-who-must-not-be-named. 4. Section 7 now explicitly mentions that gold from our inventory can be changed anytime. It never said anything about our inventories before.
FIX'D! xd
But, thank you so much for that list!
See, I couldn't remember how many times they changed it since the December date, but ever notice how they sneak in there to change the rules around whenever the users confront them on ANYTHING?
When people were calling out the CEO and COO, that was the beginning of it. Along with the thread deletions (civil or not), a staffer went in there and changed somethings out to include themselves.
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:01 am
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Catalyste xx I met my fate xx Actually most avatar websites have something similar in their TOS. This one was edited last december but it wasn't noticed until now. Just wanted to correct you on this, but that portion of the ToS was not part of the original December edit. It happened after. I think the original part they edited on that date referred to purchases, after that they made two more edits. The first being about the site shutting down, and the second one was about no longer notifying users of any changes made to the ToS. These changes were made months ago after the December date.
Huh, interesting. I coulda sworn I read those in the december update but that makes them a bit more worrisome. Thanks for letting me know.
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:29 am
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xx I met my fate xx Catalyste xx I met my fate xx Actually most avatar websites have something similar in their TOS. This one was edited last december but it wasn't noticed until now. Just wanted to correct you on this, but that portion of the ToS was not part of the original December edit. It happened after. I think the original part they edited on that date referred to purchases, after that they made two more edits. The first being about the site shutting down, and the second one was about no longer notifying users of any changes made to the ToS. These changes were made months ago after the December date. Huh, interesting. I coulda sworn I read those in the december update but that makes them a bit more worrisome. Thanks for letting me know.
You're welcome.
Alexius' post reminded me of what they changed out first, which was section 4. The part where talking about a member of staff is now an offense.
This happened after many users were calling him and the COO out by their name. I think we can all remember the threads that were deleted as a result?
The sneaky part is that they've repeatedly gone into the ToS to change it based on user outrage. So it wasn't done in one go, but done based on what they don't want to get sued over. rolleyes
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:33 am
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Catalyste xx I met my fate xx Catalyste xx I met my fate xx Actually most avatar websites have something similar in their TOS. This one was edited last december but it wasn't noticed until now. Just wanted to correct you on this, but that portion of the ToS was not part of the original December edit. It happened after. I think the original part they edited on that date referred to purchases, after that they made two more edits. The first being about the site shutting down, and the second one was about no longer notifying users of any changes made to the ToS. These changes were made months ago after the December date. Huh, interesting. I coulda sworn I read those in the december update but that makes them a bit more worrisome. Thanks for letting me know. You're welcome. Alexius' post reminded me of what they changed out first, which was section 4. The part where talking about a member of staff is now an offense. This happened after many users were calling him and the COO out by their name. I think we can all remember the threads that were deleted as a result? The sneaky part is that they've repeatedly gone into the ToS to change it based on user outrage. So it wasn't done in one go, but done based on what they don't want to get sued over. rolleyes
It's sneaky but they do technically have the right to make changes at any time without notifying us. Solia and Syndrone both have the "We can change this at any time without telling you" clause as well though Syndrones is worded less professionally as "We'll try to notify you but we don't HAVE to."
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:37 am
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xx I met my fate xx Catalyste xx I met my fate xx Catalyste xx I met my fate xx Actually most avatar websites have something similar in their TOS. This one was edited last december but it wasn't noticed until now. Just wanted to correct you on this, but that portion of the ToS was not part of the original December edit. It happened after. I think the original part they edited on that date referred to purchases, after that they made two more edits. The first being about the site shutting down, and the second one was about no longer notifying users of any changes made to the ToS. These changes were made months ago after the December date. Huh, interesting. I coulda sworn I read those in the december update but that makes them a bit more worrisome. Thanks for letting me know. You're welcome. Alexius' post reminded me of what they changed out first, which was section 4. The part where talking about a member of staff is now an offense. This happened after many users were calling him and the COO out by their name. I think we can all remember the threads that were deleted as a result? The sneaky part is that they've repeatedly gone into the ToS to change it based on user outrage. So it wasn't done in one go, but done based on what they don't want to get sued over. rolleyes It's sneaky but they do technically have the right to make changes at any time without notifying us. Solia and Syndrone both have the "We can change this at any time without telling you" clause as well though Syndrones is worded less professionally as "We'll try to notify you but we don't HAVE to."
They actually don't.
Original holders of the agreement, pre-revision, are entitled to have their notices given to them at the time of change.
A user found the 2010 agreement (which stuck up till earlier this year) that stated that they would give us notice.
So the moral of the story is, yes you are entitled to change it. No you're not entitled to change what we've originally agreed to without notice.
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:40 am
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Catalyste xx I met my fate xx Catalyste xx I met my fate xx Catalyste xx I met my fate xx Actually most avatar websites have something similar in their TOS. This one was edited last december but it wasn't noticed until now. Just wanted to correct you on this, but that portion of the ToS was not part of the original December edit. It happened after. I think the original part they edited on that date referred to purchases, after that they made two more edits. The first being about the site shutting down, and the second one was about no longer notifying users of any changes made to the ToS. These changes were made months ago after the December date. Huh, interesting. I coulda sworn I read those in the december update but that makes them a bit more worrisome. Thanks for letting me know. You're welcome. Alexius' post reminded me of what they changed out first, which was section 4. The part where talking about a member of staff is now an offense. This happened after many users were calling him and the COO out by their name. I think we can all remember the threads that were deleted as a result? The sneaky part is that they've repeatedly gone into the ToS to change it based on user outrage. So it wasn't done in one go, but done based on what they don't want to get sued over. rolleyes It's sneaky but they do technically have the right to make changes at any time without notifying us. Solia and Syndrone both have the "We can change this at any time without telling you" clause as well though Syndrones is worded less professionally as "We'll try to notify you but we don't HAVE to." They actually don't. Original holders of the agreement, pre-revision, are entitled to have their notices given to them at the time of change. A user found the 2010 agreement (which stuck up till earlier this year) that stated that they would give us notice. So the moral of the story is, yes you are entitled to change it. No you're not entitled to change what we've originally agreed to without notice.
That user was wrong. That clause has always existed. I believe it's some sort of legality that they have to include it. I can show you the solia and syndrone versions if you like but I'm 100% that they always had something (perhaps worded differently) in the TOS about how they could make changes at any time and weren't liable to inform us.
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:45 am
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xx I met my fate xx Catalyste xx I met my fate xx Catalyste xx I met my fate xx Huh, interesting. I coulda sworn I read those in the december update but that makes them a bit more worrisome. Thanks for letting me know. You're welcome. Alexius' post reminded me of what they changed out first, which was section 4. The part where talking about a member of staff is now an offense. This happened after many users were calling him and the COO out by their name. I think we can all remember the threads that were deleted as a result? The sneaky part is that they've repeatedly gone into the ToS to change it based on user outrage. So it wasn't done in one go, but done based on what they don't want to get sued over. rolleyes It's sneaky but they do technically have the right to make changes at any time without notifying us. Solia and Syndrone both have the "We can change this at any time without telling you" clause as well though Syndrones is worded less professionally as "We'll try to notify you but we don't HAVE to." They actually don't. Original holders of the agreement, pre-revision, are entitled to have their notices given to them at the time of change. A user found the 2010 agreement (which stuck up till earlier this year) that stated that they would give us notice. So the moral of the story is, yes you are entitled to change it. No you're not entitled to change what we've originally agreed to without notice. That user was wrong. That clause has always existed. I believe it's some sort of legality that they have to include it. I can show you the solia and syndrone versions if you like but I'm 100% that they always had something (perhaps worded differently) in the TOS about how they could make changes at any time and weren't liable to inform us.
On this site? No that user was not wrong. I'm also testifying to that fact that it did state that Gaia would notify us since I also remember it being so. I've had to look up the ToS numerous times when looking for report links or clauses to help with my mod training. This was sometime last year or the year before. And it's not just me, but a friend of mine as well. We've seen that, word for word, before they changed it out. It never stated otherwise before.
I can assure you, Gaia changed it out earlier this year.
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:47 am
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Catalyste xx I met my fate xx Catalyste xx I met my fate xx Catalyste xx I met my fate xx Huh, interesting. I coulda sworn I read those in the december update but that makes them a bit more worrisome. Thanks for letting me know. You're welcome. Alexius' post reminded me of what they changed out first, which was section 4. The part where talking about a member of staff is now an offense. This happened after many users were calling him and the COO out by their name. I think we can all remember the threads that were deleted as a result? The sneaky part is that they've repeatedly gone into the ToS to change it based on user outrage. So it wasn't done in one go, but done based on what they don't want to get sued over. rolleyes It's sneaky but they do technically have the right to make changes at any time without notifying us. Solia and Syndrone both have the "We can change this at any time without telling you" clause as well though Syndrones is worded less professionally as "We'll try to notify you but we don't HAVE to." They actually don't. Original holders of the agreement, pre-revision, are entitled to have their notices given to them at the time of change. A user found the 2010 agreement (which stuck up till earlier this year) that stated that they would give us notice. So the moral of the story is, yes you are entitled to change it. No you're not entitled to change what we've originally agreed to without notice. That user was wrong. That clause has always existed. I believe it's some sort of legality that they have to include it. I can show you the solia and syndrone versions if you like but I'm 100% that they always had something (perhaps worded differently) in the TOS about how they could make changes at any time and weren't liable to inform us. On this site? No that user was not wrong. I'm also testifying to that fact that it did state that Gaia would notify us since I also remember it being so. I've had to look up the ToS numerous times when looking for report links or clauses to help with my mod training. This was sometime last year or the year before. And it's not just me, but a friend of mine as well. We've seen that, word for word, before they changed it out. It never stated otherwise before. I can assure you, Gaia changed it out earlier this year.
If they did that's strange but they likely just did it to keep up with the current trend on most online TOS. Unfortunately Gaia is no longer a tight knit community. They don't inform us of every change since they're a big company now. It's sad but I don't necessarily want to read anything sinister into the changes. The wording is rude but I think they're just covering their butts against lawsuits.
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:58 am
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:30 am
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kujjles Last Trickster Prince kujjles It's certainly looking like it to me. I misread some of the prices (that happens when you pull an all nighter to clean out your room completely XD What if we were to use the cheapest skin? Maybe the Zombie 2k8 potion? It's literally the cheapest and I think turning into zombies would send a message. Yeah, That'd be shweet, and maybe instead of a day, keep the avatar like it for a week (or however long people choose) so people really get the chance to see what's going on~ Besides... 10 announcements doesn't KILL us like car crashes can, so a zombie skin might represent better in retrospect XD That would work. :T Also, I think it really gets the message across: Gaia is trying to turn us into Cash-buying Zombies. lol
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:31 am
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Last Trickster Prince kujjles Last Trickster Prince kujjles It's certainly looking like it to me. I misread some of the prices (that happens when you pull an all nighter to clean out your room completely XD What if we were to use the cheapest skin? Maybe the Zombie 2k8 potion? It's literally the cheapest and I think turning into zombies would send a message. Yeah, That'd be shweet, and maybe instead of a day, keep the avatar like it for a week (or however long people choose) so people really get the chance to see what's going on~ Besides... 10 announcements doesn't KILL us like car crashes can, so a zombie skin might represent better in retrospect XD That would work. :T Also, I think it really gets the message across: Gaia is trying to turn us into Cash-buying Zombies. lol I think this needs to be a thing, this needs to happen. Especially with the summer blast thing spam going on right now~ I think it would be noticeable with the amount of announcements we're getting and all that~ Is there a thread for it or something yet?
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 5:39 pm
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