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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:40 pm
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:23 am
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:52 am
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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 11:30 pm
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TeaDidikai Kudzu I wish that more Seekers knew not to work with people for whom they don't get a vouch. It's situations like those that are the reasons I fight so hard to show that testing Wiccan content can't protect you enough. Seekers, if you don't get a vouch for your "Wiccan," don't work with them! And we go about getting a vouch when you say to ask such questions is impolite how?!
Thanks for asking! That's a good question! I'm sorry that I wasn't very clear in my answer. Here is my answer from a previous post. Please let me know what is unclear so that I can write a better response. (PM me for a quicker reply. I don't get too much time to surf all the places in Gaia that I leave my mark, but it's my home-page, so I see PM's whenever I hop online to check my school email.) I really want to learn how to convey this message clearly:
It's very important to verify lineage. Real Wiccans will expect this and will admire you for taking this bold but necessary step. Don't worry, they won't feel insulted! The first step in verification is to ask your Wiccan who will vouch for them. They will give you the contact information of other Wiccans who are willing to have their contact information given out to Seekers like us! Don't be alarmed if they don't give you the name and address of their Initiator. Maybe their Initiator isn't down with that kind of thing. Contact the people and verify your Wiccan's story.
The next step is to get independent verifications. That means that if you already know a Wiccan, even if they live far away from the Wiccan you've found, you can contact your known Wiccan and ask if they can get anyone to vouch for your found Wiccan. Your known Wiccan will be able to go through the proper channels to find a vouch. If you don't know ANY Wiccans anywhere, then you can try joining a list like Amberandjet.org and posting something like "can anyone vouch for a [insert Trad here] Wiccan in [insert state here]" and wait for responses. You'd be surprised how many independent vouches will come out of the woodwork! Also, this will get easier with time as you get in contact with verified Wiccans who can route your questions quickly to the appropriate people.
I can't stress enough how important the above process is. I wish it were written out more eloquently than the above as a million Stickies, because this is pretty much the only appropriate way for a totally clueless Seeker to verify lineage.
TheDisreputableDog [TeaDidikai's] friend would likely would not have gotten a vouch from anyone. If you can't even deny a sexual predator with a history of such predations within the community, why would you get a confirmation for anyone else?
Good question! A real Wiccan who desires to Initiate other Wiccans will be vouched for by every Wiccan who knows them who desires to be known as a Wiccan. Conversely, a fake Wiccan will never be vouched for by anyone. One should never study with a person for whom one cannot get a vouch. I feel like I am being very unclear, since I am getting so many repeats of the same question. If you still do not understand, PM me with specific questions. I want to learn how to communicate this process to potential Seekers.
TatteredAngel I hear a lot of what not to ask and how so much is oathbound, and no answers to the questions that are usually stated as being okay- so how would one know a bogus answer from a real one?
EXACTLY! You cannot know what answers to questions about Wiccan content are bogus unless you are an Initiated Wiccan. Please read the above itallics, red-coloured statement about how to verify Wiccans. If you are still confused, please PM me with questions, because I truly want to convey my message clearly to steer Seekers clear of predators.
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 1:11 pm
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