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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:13 am
Well, there are those that see psychological disorders as metaphorical demons- just as easily cast out by God as real demons. 3nodding  
PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:00 am
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Well, there are those that see psychological disorders as metaphorical demons- just as easily cast out by God as real demons. 3nodding

I would really love to be able to do that do that without having to study for a doctorate in psychiatric medicine. sweatdrop

The Bible makes it sound like these gifts come easily if one asks for them. In my experience, they don't. confused
 

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:33 am
It probably depends on one's motives for asking, and how it fits in with God's other plans for you. Personally, I don't think I really have any special gift- at least not a huge, in your face, comin' atcha kind of gift. I think my ability to love and be loyal is a rather subtle gift, as it's not something that comes easily to everyone. 3nodding  
PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:44 am
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Well, there are those that see psychological disorders as metaphorical demons- just as easily cast out by God as real demons. 3nodding



Well, actually that's very interesting. I've actually looked into this sort of thing. No, this is not what was going on. As far as Demonology is concerned, I think the Catholic Church has the right take on it....

The Church now requires that Priests try to treat alleged cases of exorcism mentally as well as spiritually. The first assumption is that it's a dellusion, mental illness before they believe it's a demon. And they also go under the idea that the person, if they believe they are haunted by a demon, would benefit from a ritual exorcism.... Even if it's just for show in the long run.


Really interesting stuff. Not what the topic is about, and me trailing off caused this... I do that... But yeah, I've put in a lot of research, wrote a script about this sort of thing, hated it, went on with my life.  

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:19 pm
LOL. Yeah, the brain is a powerful thing, and the placebo effect is not to be underestimated. 3nodding  
PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:58 am
When it comes to tongues, there has been a lot of confusion. Some Pentecostals teach that if you do not speak in "heavenly" tongues, then you are not saved/do not have the Holy Spirit/ are lesser than those who do.

Yet the bible clearly teaches that not everyone will have the gift of tongues - 1 Cor 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

The Bible is also very clear that there are things to be desired above tongues. There is a clear hierarchy of gifts: 1 Cor 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Furthermore there is something to be aimed for/received which is far higher than tongues: 1 Cor 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether [there be] prophecies, they shall fail; whether [there be] tongues, they shall cease; whether [there be] knowledge, it shall vanish away.

plus prophecy is a more important gift: 1 Cor 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater [is] he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

Tongues are not a "private prayer language"! 1 Cor 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying [serveth] not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

What tongues are is also defined by the bible: Acts 2: 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

That is why tongues are a sign for unbelievers, because they are an evident miracle, when someone speaks in a foreign language they did not know, and someone else is able to interpret for the others, but someone in the congregation has heard someone speaking, say, a remote tribal language of God to them.  

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