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Mr. Bono Vox

PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 4:00 pm
Quote:
The leadership of Oglaigh na hEireann has formally ordered an end to the
armed campaign.
This will take effect from 4pm [1600 BST] this afternoon.
All IRA units have been ordered to dump arms.
All Volunteers have been instructed to assist the development of purely
political and democratic programmes through exclusively peaceful means.
Volunteers must not engage in any other activities whatsoever.
The IRA leadership has also authorised our representative to engage with the
IICD [Independent International Commission on Decommissioning] to complete
the process to verifiably put its arms beyond use in a way which will
further enhance public confidence and to conclude this as quickly as
possible.
We have invited two independent witnesses, from the Protestant and Catholic
churches, to testify to this.
The Army Council took these decisions following an unprecedented internal
discussion and consultation process with IRA units and Volunteers.
We appreciate the honest and forthright way in which the consultation
process was carried out and the depth and content of the submissions.
We are proud of the comradely way in which this truly historic discussion
was conducted. The outcome of our consultations show very strong support
among IRA Volunteers for the Sinn Fein peace strategy.
There is also widespread concern about the failure of the two governments
and the unionists to fully engage in the peace process.
This has created real difficulties. The overwhelming majority of people in
Ireland fully support this process.
They and friends of Irish unity throughout the world want to see the full
implementation of the Good Friday Agreement.
Notwithstanding these difficulties our decisions have been taken to advance
our republican and democratic objectives, including our goal of a united
Ireland.
We believe there is now an alternative way to achieve this and to end
British rule in our country. It is the responsibility of all Volunteers to
show leadership, determination and courage.
We are very mindful of the sacrifices of our patriot dead, those who went to
jail, Volunteers, their families and the wider republican base.
We reiterate our view that the armed struggle was entirely legitimate. We
are conscious that many people suffered in the conflict.
There is a compelling imperative on all sides to build a just and lasting
peace. The issue of the defence of nationalist and republican communities
has been raised with us.
There is a responsibility on society to ensure that there is no
re-occurrence of the pogroms of 1969 and the early 1970s.
There is also a universal responsibility to tackle sectarianism in all its
forms.
The IRA is fully committed to the goals of Irish unity and independence and
to building the Republic outlined in the 1916 Proclamation.
We call for maximum unity and effort by Irish republicans everywhere. We are
confident that by working together Irish republicans can achieve our
objectives.
Every Volunteer is aware of the import of the decisions we have taken and
all Oglaigh are compelled to fully comply with these orders.
There is now an unprecedented opportunity to utilise the considerable energy
and goodwill which there is for the peace process.
This comprehensive series of unparalleled initiatives is our contribution to
this and to the continued endeavours to bring about independence and unity
for the people of Ireland.

“The outcome of our consultations show very strong support among IRA
Volunteers for the Sinn Fein peace strategy”
“We reiterate our view that the armed struggle was entirely legitimate”
“The IRA is fully committed to the goals of Irish Unity and independence and
to building the Republic outlined in the 1916 Proclamation”

so... what do you all think of this?  
PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 4:46 pm
Lets see if the bastards keep their word, and see what they demand in return.

Awkward, as I've always quietly rooted for the loyallists.

ninja
 

Invictus_88
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Mr. Bono Vox

PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:18 pm
Invictus_88
Lets see if the bastards keep their word, and see what they demand in return.

Awkward, as I've always quietly rooted for the loyallists.

ninja
twisted thank you Invictus.... smile

ahh yes.. we must also remember that The Continuity IRA still exist, the Real IRA still exist, the Irish National Liberation Army still exist
and the so-called hard men of the IRA who sneak about in the middle of the
night and kill unarmed civilians will be back to what they do best in the
not too distant future. AND now the Unionist people have no army... they are disbanding the RIR and pulling the army out....

First the B. Specials went...
Then the UDR went...
Then the RUC went...
Now the RIR is gone....

B-lair. the great Irish British Republican has give the IRA
what they could not achieved by bombs or bullets.

Sinn Fein/IRA have once again sucker punched the British Government,
remember the Official IRA, who went political in the early 1970's and how
the Provisional IRA filled the vacum and resumed the terrorist campaign. Now
we have the PIRA who are now apparently engaged in democratic politics if
the DUP ever sit with them in Stormont. Now we have the other republican
breakaway groups looking to fill the vacum left by the PIRA like the Real
IRA. No doubt the IRA weapons or a vast majority of new ones are now in the
breakaway terrorist bunkers dotted along the border. If we can't learn from
our history we will never learn. Shame on Blair and shame on those who
helped him destroy an effective force against militant republicans.

Will - Ulsterman and Proud.  
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:12 am
From what I've heard, we've been removing our watchtowers and had army platoons (can't think of the right word) removed - aren't we trusting them a little too much?  

Zoutout


Mr. Bono Vox

PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:03 am
Zoutout
From what I've heard, we've been removing our watchtowers and had army platoons (can't think of the right word) removed - aren't we trusting them a little too much?
hell yea we are! but this was always the plan. B-lair is hand in hand with SF/IRA. mad  
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:10 pm
Zoutout
From what I've heard, we've been removing our watchtowers and had army platoons (can't think of the right word) removed - aren't we trusting them a little too much?


Battalions.

Also, we are trusting too much. It look painfully as if loyal Ulstermen are being abandoned by our government in favour of appeasing a foreign terrorism-based organisation.

Can't say I'm surprised, New Labour.

I hate it though.
 

Invictus_88
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Mr. Bono Vox

PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:27 pm
you are right, we are too trusting. it is a discrace what Labour are doing. and what past British Governments have done down the years.
first they disbanded the B - specials,
then the UDR,
then the RUC
and now the RIR.
the Unionist people now have no defence. the PSNI are a joke and cannot and probibly wouldnt deal with the IRA. and the paramiltiaries like the UDA are nothing but drug barons now.
B-lair has most certainly turned his back on Unionism. Northern Ireland is no-longer safe for ANY British subject to reside in.
something mad was said to me today by a fellow Brit, something that shocked and disterbed me... he said...
'Would it be SO bad if Ireland were united?'
hell yes! of course it would be bloody well bad!
handing over Protestant unionists to an Irish Roman Catholic state!
are you mad? just throw away years of work that the unionist people have put in to keep N.I. British? just discard them like a used tissue?
discard the people who fought volenteeraly for Britain, for YOUR FREEDOM NO LESS! in two world wars and hand them over to a state that harbours terrorists?
hand over their home land? hand over their lives to the terrorist scum? NO! it would be morally wrong sir! morally wrong.
i couldnt believe it... hearing THAT being said by a fellow brit. i thought i read it wrong... but alas.. i didnt. confused sad

look at me for an example of the good friday agreement and the B-lair/IRA partnership and how they have forced Unionists out of their homeland.
look at me. sitting in England away from where i grew up and lived for 16 years just because i was Loyal to Queen and country. it is discusting and a discrace.
B-lair needs stopped before he destroys the Union...
 
PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 3:27 pm
some articles for you here....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4733363.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4737395.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4742279.stm


Quote:
Demilitarisation moves announced

The government has set out a two-year plan to scale down the Army's presence in Northern Ireland and change the way the province is policed.
Northern Ireland Secretary Peter Hain made the announcement after the IRA said it was ending its armed campaign.

The number of troops will be reduced from 10,500 to about 5,000 if the security climate is right.

The government is also aiming to repeal within two years counter terrorist legislation particular to NI.

Army posts will also be closed and police stations defortified.

Sinn Fein's Conor Murphy met with Mr Hain and Chief Constable Hugh Orde on Monday ahead of the announcement.

The major security response to Thursday's IRA statement will mean significant changes to the security landscape in south Armagh, Belfast and Londonderry.

The controversial Divis Watchtower, on top of a block of flats in west Belfast, is among those set to be removed.

Security

Mr Hain said the moves would only happen in the right security situation.

"My first and overriding priority, and that of the chief constable and the Army GOC, is the safety and security of the people of Northern Ireland," Mr Hain said.

"We will not do anything that will compromise that.

"Provided the enabling environment is established and maintained this programme will be achievable within two years though if the conditions are right to move more quickly in implementing elements of the plan, the government will do so.

"The programme published today will see the creation of an environment which will allow the return of conventional policing across Northern Ireland."

Earleir on Monday, Sinn Fein welcomed the start of the operation to scale down security across Northern Ireland.


Speaking on Monday, Sinn Fein chief negotiator Martin McGuinness said: "I think we'll have a fair idea by Christmas how things are shaping up.

"I think until then we will see the spotlight turning on the Democratic Unionist Party, who really do need to respond to this by adding their own momentum."

First steps

On Friday, the Army began the first steps of dismantling security bases in south Armagh after the IRA's statement saying it had ended its armed campaign.

It was announced that a base at Forkhill will close, while a watchtower at Sugarloaf Mountain and an observation post at Newtownhamilton police station will also be removed.

Unionists reacted angrily to the news of the Army posts being dismantled.

The British and Irish governments are considering the next steps to restore power-sharing in Northern Ireland.

The British government also intends to introduce legislation in the autumn to allow paramilitary fugitives to return home.

In a statement released on Thursday, the IRA said it would pursue exclusively peaceful means.

Political talks last year failed to restore devolution, which stalled amid claims of IRA intelligence gathering at Parliament Buildings, Stormont, in 2002.



Quote:

Royal Irish units to be disbanded


The RIR's NI-based battalions are to be disbanded
The Northern Ireland-based battalions of the Royal Irish Regiment are to be disbanded as part of the Army response to the IRA ending its armed campaign.
The Army will end its support role to the police on 1 August 2007, the same day that the battalions will disband.

Northern Ireland Secretary Peter Hain set out a two-year plan on demilitarisation which he said would be contingent on the security situation.

Unionists reacted angrily to the move, which nationalists have welcomed.


Demilitarisation moves revealed


More than 3,000 soldiers serve in the three battalions, many part-time.

News of the decision was broken to them on Monday morning.

Under the security normalisation plans, Army observation posts will be closed and police stations will be defortified.

Mr Hain also announced on Monday that troop levels in the province would fall from 10,500 to 5,000 in two years time.

The government also aims to repeal within two years counter terrorist laws particular to Northern Ireland if everything goes according to plan.

Twenty-six army sites out of 40 across Northern Ireland will be closed.

Mr Hain said: "The programme published today will see the creation of an environment which will allow the return of conventional policing across Northern Ireland."


The Royal Irish Regiment was formed in 1992, with the merger of the Royal Irish Rangers and the Ulster Defence Regiment.

The Army's general officer commanding, Lieutenant General Sir Reddy Watt said: "The Royal Irish Regiment (Home Service) and their predecessors, the Ulster Defence Regiment, have played a crucial role in creating the enabling environment for normalisation to begin.

"Once the Police Service of Northern Ireland no longer needs routine military support, the three Home Service battalions will have successfully completed the task for which they were raised."

DUP leader Ian Paisley said while Mr Hain may believe the statement will bring forward devolution "the reality is that it will delay its return".

"The government's so-called normalisation programme will have a profound effect on the political process in Northern Ireland," he said.

"It is a surrender to the IRA and is further evidence of bad faith on the part of the government.

"We are appalled at the dishonest and dangerous approach of the government with today's announcement of 'normalisation' and we want to make it clear that it will pay a high price for the approach that is being taken."


DUP leader Ian Paisley said the move was a 'surrender' to the IRA

Ulster Unionist leader Sir Reg Empey described the move as "deplorable".

"The decision to disband the home battalions of the Royal Irish Regiment is reckless and premature," he added.

However, Sinn Fein's Conor Murphy called on unionists to embrace demilitarisation.

"I have to ask who wants to live in a heavily militarised society. It is for all our benefits, unionists as well as nationalists and republicans, to see society here demilitarised," he said.

The SDLP's Alex Attwood said the demilitarisation moves were "sensible when it comes to creating a more normal society" in Northern Ireland.

He said they would have happened a long time ago if the IRA had done what it was supposed to have.

Alliance leader David Ford said the two-year plan was premature without actions from the IRA.

"The IRA statement said nothing about accepting the legitimacy of either the northern or southern state with respect to policing and criminal justice," Mr Ford said.

Meanwhile, the no-jury Diplock courts should be abolished under the government's normalisation plans, government sources have said.

The plans envisage the repeal of counter terrorist legislation particular to Northern Ireland by August 2007.

Government sources said that means the law which provides for scheduled offences currently used in paramilitary related cases.

Other UK wide anti-terrorism laws will still apply in the province to provide protection against subversive activity.


On Monday Chief Constable Hugh Orde said the IRA statement was clearer than anything previously, but "the actions which follow that statement will be crucial".

He added: "We have a right to expect that Sinn Fein politicians will now engage directly, openly and constructively with District Commanders and all officers at local level."

On Friday, the Army began the first steps of dismantling security bases in south Armagh after the IRA's statement saying it had ended its armed campaign.

In a statement released on Thursday, the IRA said it would pursue exclusively peaceful means.


and yet more horrible news...


Quote:
No widows' fund for RIR families

No extra fund will be set up for widows and relatives of UDR and RIR soldiers killed in service in Northern Ireland, the government has said.
It said they were already well cared for and that their current benefits were similar to those paid by police.

The Ministry of Defence said benevolent funds were in place in both regiments to aid individual cases of hardship.

One of the campaigners for widows of the soldiers, Reatha Hassan, said they felt "very let down".

"We have families living here in Northern Ireland traumatised and stressed over the last 30 to 35 years," she said.

She said 206 UDR soldiers were killed during the Troubles and three widows in her group had died without ever seeing "recognition from the government".

The Royal Irish Regiment was formed in 1992, with the merger of the Royal Irish Rangers and the Ulster Defence Regiment.

It was announced on Monday that the Northern Ireland-based battalions of the Royal Irish Regiment are to be disbanded as part of the Army response to the IRA ending its armed campaign.

The Army will end its support role to the police on 1 August 2007, the same day that the battalions will disband.

Northern Ireland Secretary Peter Hain set out a two-year plan on demilitarisation which he said would be contingent on the security situation.

Unionists reacted angrily to the move, which nationalists welcomed.


meep... i have no words...just emotes.... mad  

Mr. Bono Vox


Invictus_88
Captain

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:03 am
Tommy Vox
Quote:
No widows' fund for RIR families

No extra fund will be set up for widows and relatives of UDR and RIR soldiers killed in service in Northern Ireland, the government has said.
It said they were already well cared for and that their current benefits were similar to those paid by police.

The Ministry of Defence said benevolent funds were in place in both regiments to aid individual cases of hardship.

One of the campaigners for widows of the soldiers, Reatha Hassan, said they felt "very let down".

"We have families living here in Northern Ireland traumatised and stressed over the last 30 to 35 years," she said.

She said 206 UDR soldiers were killed during the Troubles and three widows in her group had died without ever seeing "recognition from the government".

The Royal Irish Regiment was formed in 1992, with the merger of the Royal Irish Rangers and the Ulster Defence Regiment.

It was announced on Monday that the Northern Ireland-based battalions of the Royal Irish Regiment are to be disbanded as part of the Army response to the IRA ending its armed campaign.

The Army will end its support role to the police on 1 August 2007, the same day that the battalions will disband.

Northern Ireland Secretary Peter Hain set out a two-year plan on demilitarisation which he said would be contingent on the security situation.

Unionists reacted angrily to the move, which nationalists welcomed.


meep... i have no words...just emotes.... mad


Bloody ridiculous, like salt in a wound. A wound we have inflicted upon those we should have respect for.

Nay, a wound New Labour have inflicted on them.

evil
 
PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:57 am
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Mr. Bono Vox


Mr. Bono Vox

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:12 pm
Quote:
Blair defends NI military moves

Prime Minister Tony Blair has defended the government's decision to dismantle border watchtowers and disband three NI battalions of the Royal Irish Regiment.
He said the moves were "justified" in security terms and had been for a time.

He was speaking after holding separate meetings with DUP leader Ian Paisley and Sinn Fein President Gerry Adams.

Mr Blair said the momentum could only be maintained if people fulfilled their promises to abide by "exclusively peaceful and democratic" means.

The prime minister also said he wanted to see the restoration of devolution as soon as possible, but could not put a timescale on it.


In terms of the security reduction, he said: "These are things that are justified and actually have been justified for some time in security terms.

"With the IRA's statement we can implement that but that has not been forced politically against the security wishes of the police or the Army.

"Obviously you have to mark carefully what happens. You had the IRA's statement but you then have got to make sure that what has been said in theory is carried through in practice."


Ian Paisley said the IRA has done nothing to meet its obligations

Thursday's talks in London between the two party leaders and Prime Minister Blair were the first since last week's IRA statement in which it said it was ending its armed campaign.


After the meeting, the Democratic Unionists said that they would require a "prolonged period of assessment" to determine whether the IRA had given up its armed campaign.

Mr Paisley said the IRA had made a statement but had done nothing about keeping their obligations.

He called for "total decommissioning that everyone can be satisfied with".

Mr Paisley said: "We are not going to have any discussions about devolution until the requirements Mr Blair set out are fulfilled by the IRA," he said.

His deputy, Peter Robinson, added: "It will take a long period of time to make sure that they are gone and they are gone for good."

Mr Paisley said he had presented a list of demands to the prime minister in what he described as a "blunt" meeting.


Mr Adams said he thought devolution could be restored soon

These included assurances relating to the government's announcement that it planned to disband the three home-based battalions of the RIR.

After his meeting, Mr Adams said he thought devolution could be restored soon.

He added he believed that the outstanding elements of the Good Friday Agreement would be implemented "in the period ahead".

Party colleague Martin McGuinness said the DUP had to "regain their nerve" and recognise they had a major contribution to make to the peace process.

"The ball game has changed, changed completely and I think forever," Mr McGuinness said.

"At some stage the DUP will have to respond to an agenda which is very clearly moving on without them."

The Northern Ireland-based battalions of the regiment are to be disbanded on 1 August 2007, as part of the response to the IRA ending its armed campaign.

The Army will end its support role to the police on the same day.

Northern Ireland Secretary of State Peter Hain also announced that troop levels in the province would fall from 10,500 to 5,000 in two years time.
 
PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 4:15 am
My views on this are pretty simple. If less people die, I'm all for it. If it turns out we have to go back over there in the future because people still believe it's ok to kill for an abstract notion, then we will.

The army pulling out appears to be an exercise in good faith. It seems a little premature, but I expect there are contingencies in place.  

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