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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:57 am
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Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:23 am
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 4:05 pm
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Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:44 pm
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 11:30 am
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Daicon Lethkhar Wardancers are freakin awesome. If I were a Wood Elf player, I wouldn't base my army around them, though. They die kind of easily (Of course, this is no different from any other elf). Of course, they do kick some serious a**.
There there, we shall avenge him and his Carnosaur next time. My dwarf lord shall have a grudge rune on his hammer just to emphasize this. |
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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 3:40 am
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 5:12 pm
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:04 am
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:38 pm
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:12 pm
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Lethkhar This is a 2000-point army list that my friend is making. It's meant to fight against a shooty Empire Army. Lord Choice: Spellweaver Level 4 Calaingor’s Stave Moonstone of the Hidden Ways Glamourweave Great Eagle Tree Singing Rain Lord Ariel’s Blessing Bear’s Anger Total:
If I'm not mistaken, Elves cannot chose their spells for the most part...
Lethkhar Hero Choices: Wood Elf Noble Battle Standard Bearer Saemrath-Banner of Zenith Elven Steed Total:
In new rules, Battlestandards will be a little better, good choice taking one.
Lethkhar Wood Elf Noble Great Eagle Annoyance of Nettlings Sword of 1000 Winters Total:
6's to hit in challenges, and +2 Strength, if I'm not mistaken? Sounds like a decent Empire or lower character hunter, or a decent unit killer if placed in a unit.
Always good with their Treesinging, and decent combat skills. Plus their saves are good too.
Lethkhar Core Units: Unit 12 Glade Guards w/ Lord’s Longbowman
This unit wouldn't do much, if I'm not mistaken. 12 Shots, mostly at long range, mean 6 will hit, and only 3 will wound. Basic Empire save is 5+, so only 2 casualties. Decent, but they won't be causing any panic checks any time soon.
Lethkhar Unit 12 Glade Guards w/ Lord’s Longbowman Ditto
In new rules, they no longer have rank bonus, and they're only good for flank charges. Adding 2 to 7 more will give you some shooting durability and another rank or 2.
10 Models on foot, I believe. If they're calvary, good unit. If not, they won't do much, if anything. Ground units need to be 20 strong, at least, before they can be relied on doing anything other then giving the enemies easy VP. If it's calvary, what did you buy for them?
5 Wardancers is a little vulnerable. Empire, even with the -1 to hit for skirmisher, will need 5's, and 3's to kill. since they'll most likely get off one salve, 10 shooters equals around 3 hits, and 2 wounds. That's a panic check right there. a Mortar could kill them all in one shot. I'd advise at least 8 of them.
Ditto.
Lethkhar 10 Wild Riders w/ Saoghir-Banner of Dwindling Total: 2002
Sounds decent enough, info on the banner though? Remember, you'll be relying on them to rout the enemy in one turn. In new rules, winning units can turn to face the enemy, ruining flank bonus' if they somehow win.
Lethkhar The idea is to get behind enemy lines and use Rain Lord to take out the cannons and such. Then he plans on flying back to tree-sing his units around.
Random spell generation, unless you have a specific item. You can also choose from only 1 lore.
Lethkhar The Glade Riders (With the noble w/ banner) are supposed to go around behind enemy lines and reak ahvoc on his battle lines by making some men able to march and others not, significant breaking and slowing his army.
Better hope that works right away with a 4-wide front (Or 5). 6/7 S4 attacks won't be a game winner (4/5 hits, 2/4 hits). If not, you'll be in trouble.
Lethkhar The other hero is an anti-hero, meant to take out any annoying heros he might experience.
Careful, you don't necessarily need to challenge to fight your lord. Plus, since the empire hero will likely be in a unit, you'll have the problem of at least a 3-to-0(Standard, Rank, Outnumber) combat res favor against you at the start. Three attacks base means you won't win unless you charge with a unit. Even then, if it's an on-foot unit, you'd need a flank charge to win.
Lethkhar The Eternal Guard are to hit face-to-face any unit that advances too quickly, while 5 of the wardancers flank that unit.
On foot or Calvary? It matters. A lot.
Lethkhar The Wild Riders are his hard-hitters that are supposed to draw gunfire from his spellweaver, though that unit is pretty hard to ignore. They are a devastating units that should crush most units with little to no opposition. (Unless there's a hero, in which case he has an anti-hero for such an occasion).
10 Riders? How many attacks each? Even 10 each isn't that much against a standard Empire infantry formation (25 Spearmen with a spare rank, full command, and a Priest/Hero). 12 attacks at WS and S4 equal 8 hits, around 6 wounds, and 4 wounds on the charge. Horses then add another 5 attacks, 3 hits, and 2 wounds, of which another dies. 5 casualties. That puts combat res so far at 7(5 Wounds, Standard, Rank)-4(3 Ranks, Standard). 6 Attacks back (5 If there's a hero) needing 4's to hit equal 3 hits, 1 wound at least, and odds are you'll fail the save. That's a 7-to-6 already, so odds are the unit won't run, and that's excluding Hero units. Plus, it's assuming none of the Empire stuffs damages your riders. The loss of even 1 equals the Empire having the 5-base combat res vs a 6 up combat res for the Riders, now. Odds are, you'll lose the combat. Either turn them into flank charges, support chargers, or add a hero in.
My 5 cents. |
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:32 am
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Quote: Drachyench_The_Eternal Lethkhar This is a 2000-point army list that my friend is making. It's meant to fight against a shooty Empire Army. Lord Choice: Spellweaver Level 4 Calaingor’s Stave Moonstone of the Hidden Ways Glamourweave Great Eagle Tree Singing Rain Lord Ariel’s Blessing Bear’s Anger Total: If I'm not mistaken, Elves cannot chose their spells for the most part... Meh, that's a "If they let me..." thing. Sometimes, with both players' consent, you can choose spells. Quote: Lethkhar Hero Choices: Wood Elf Noble Battle Standard Bearer Saemrath-Banner of Zenith Elven Steed Total: In new rules, Battlestandards will be a little better, good choice taking one. Yuppers. 3nodding Quote: Lethkhar Wood Elf Noble Great Eagle Annoyance of Nettlings Sword of 1000 Winters Total: 6's to hit in challenges, and +2 Strength, if I'm not mistaken? Sounds like a decent Empire or lower character hunter, or a decent unit killer if placed in a unit. Classic Anti-Hero. Annoyance of Nettlings is wonderful in this situation. Quote: Always good with their Treesinging, and decent combat skills. Plus their saves are good too. Thanks. Quote: Lethkhar Core Units: Unit 12 Glade Guards w/ Lord’s Longbowman This unit wouldn't do much, if I'm not mistaken. 12 Shots, mostly at long range, mean 6 will hit, and only 3 will wound. Basic Empire save is 5+, so only 2 casualties. Decent, but they won't be causing any panic checks any time soon. Lethkhar Unit 12 Glade Guards w/ Lord’s Longbowman Ditto I told him he needed more archers. But he doesn't have any more glade guard models. sad Quote: In new rules, they no longer have rank bonus, and they're only good for flank charges. Adding 2 to 7 more will give you some shooting durability and another rank or 2. Their purpose is to be with the battle standard, go around behind the opposing army, and slow a section of his battle line. Quote: 10 Models on foot, I believe. If they're calvary, good unit. If not, they won't do much, if anything. Ground units need to be 20 strong, at least, before they can be relied on doing anything other then giving the enemies easy VP. If it's calvary, what did you buy for them? Ever faced Eternal Guard? They're better than Chaos Warriors for less points. Quote: 5 Wardancers is a little vulnerable. Empire, even with the -1 to hit for skirmisher, will need 5's, and 3's to kill. since they'll most likely get off one salve, 10 shooters equals around 3 hits, and 2 wounds. That's a panic check right there. a Mortar could kill them all in one shot. I'd advise at least 8 of them. Ditto. Perhaps combine the units? Lethkhar 10 Wild Riders w/ Saoghir-Banner of Dwindling Total: 2002 Sounds decent enough, info on the banner though? Remember, you'll be relying on them to rout the enemy in one turn. In new rules, winning units can turn to face the enemy, ruining flank bonus' if they somehow win. Lethkhar The idea is to get behind enemy lines and use Rain Lord to take out the cannons and such. Then he plans on flying back to tree-sing his units around. Random spell generation, unless you have a specific item. You can also choose from only 1 lore. Lethkhar The Glade Riders (With the noble w/ banner) are supposed to go around behind enemy lines and reak ahvoc on his battle lines by making some men able to march and others not, significant breaking and slowing his army. Better hope that works right away with a 4-wide front (Or 5). 6/7 S4 attacks won't be a game winner (4/5 hits, 2/4 hits). If not, you'll be in trouble. Lethkhar The other hero is an anti-hero, meant to take out any annoying heros he might experience. Careful, you don't necessarily need to challenge to fight your lord. Plus, since the empire hero will likely be in a unit, you'll have the problem of at least a 3-to-0(Standard, Rank, Outnumber) combat res favor against you at the start. Three attacks base means you won't win unless you charge with a unit. Even then, if it's an on-foot unit, you'd need a flank charge to win. Lethkhar The Eternal Guard are to hit face-to-face any unit that advances too quickly, while 5 of the wardancers flank that unit. On foot or Calvary? It matters. A lot. Quote: Lethkhar The Wild Riders are his hard-hitters that are supposed to draw gunfire from his spellweaver, though that unit is pretty hard to ignore. They are a devastating units that should crush most units with little to no opposition. (Unless there's a hero, in which case he has an anti-hero for such an occasion). 10 Riders? How many attacks each? Even 10 each isn't that much against a standard Empire infantry formation (25 Spearmen with a spare rank, full command, and a Priest/Hero). 12 attacks at WS and S4 equal 8 hits, around 6 wounds, and 4 wounds on the charge. Horses then add another 5 attacks, 3 hits, and 2 wounds, of which another dies. 5 casualties. That puts combat res so far at 7(5 Wounds, Standard, Rank)-4(3 Ranks, Standard). 6 Attacks back (5 If there's a hero) needing 4's to hit equal 3 hits, 1 wound at least, and odds are you'll fail the save. That's a 7-to-6 already, so odds are the unit won't run, and that's excluding Hero units. Plus, it's assuming none of the Empire stuffs damages your riders. The loss of even 1 equals the Empire having the 5-base combat res vs a 6 up combat res for the Riders, now. Odds are, you'll lose the combat. Either turn them into flank charges, support chargers, or add a hero in. My 5 cents.
*snorts* Spearmen...The Empire player won't be using any of those, trust me. They have a really bad name in my gaming group. And by "bad name", I mean "waste of points".
He tends to use swordsmen more often.
After facing a different Wood Elf player and losing, I think I know what his army needs. It's the cavalry that's really devastating. He needs warhawks and waywatchers for those damn artillery, or else he'll just be torn to shreds.
The Wood Elves' strength is their mobility...I'll talk to him about it. Thanks for all your help. biggrin |
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:05 pm
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Lethkar, 10 of ANY rank and file on foot unit is never enough, unless it's ogres. They will always be at a 2-to-5 loss to begin with if facing another rank-and-file unit. You should have at least 15, preferably 20. That will give you a decent unit.
10 Models can be panicked in 3 casualties, lose their rank bonus after 2 (1 in new rules) casualties, and even with their special rules, 16 attacks won't win it. 16 attacks translates to about 11 to 10 hits. 5-to-6 wounds. With their 4+ Save on their Swordsmen, only 2-to-3 wounds caused. Assuming you entered without any casualties and did best case scenario, you still tied. 15 Models would at least give a second rank, and give the need for 4 casualties to panic, or 8 to give you no rank bonus'.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:43 pm
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Drachyench_The_Eternal Lethkar, 10 of ANY rank and file on foot unit is never enough, unless it's ogres. They will always be at a 2-to-5 loss to begin with if facing another rank-and-file unit. You should have at least 15, preferably 20. That will give you a decent unit. 10 Models can be panicked in 3 casualties, lose their rank bonus after 2 (1 in new rules) casualties, and even with their special rules, 16 attacks won't win it. 16 attacks translates to about 11 to 10 hits. 5-to-6 wounds. With their 4+ Save on their Swordsmen, only 2-to-3 wounds caused. Assuming you entered without any casualties and did best case scenario, you still tied. 15 Models would at least give a second rank, and give the need for 4 casualties to panic, or 8 to give you no rank bonus'.
Where'd you get a 4+ armor save?
Light armor and a shield is a 5+.
It's not my fault eternal guard cost 50 bucks or whatever. 10's always enough for me, but I don't play Wood Elves. My guys are much more durable than Wood Elves.
As I said, I have pretty much no clue how Wood Elves work. |
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:45 pm
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Lethkhar Drachyench_The_Eternal Lethkar, 10 of ANY rank and file on foot unit is never enough, unless it's ogres. They will always be at a 2-to-5 loss to begin with if facing another rank-and-file unit. You should have at least 15, preferably 20. That will give you a decent unit. 10 Models can be panicked in 3 casualties, lose their rank bonus after 2 (1 in new rules) casualties, and even with their special rules, 16 attacks won't win it. 16 attacks translates to about 11 to 10 hits. 5-to-6 wounds. With their 4+ Save on their Swordsmen, only 2-to-3 wounds caused. Assuming you entered without any casualties and did best case scenario, you still tied. 15 Models would at least give a second rank, and give the need for 4 casualties to panic, or 8 to give you no rank bonus'. Where'd you get a 4+ armor save? Light armor and a shield is a 5+. It's not my fault eternal guard cost 50 bucks or whatever. 10's always enough for me, but I don't play Wood Elves. My guys are much more durable than Wood Elves. As I said, I have pretty much no clue how Wood Elves work.
Swordsmen have Lightarmor, Shield, and Hand Weapon. That = 4+ CC save.
Black Orcs are the same, I believe. $45 each box, at least, maybe $50. |
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