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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:35 pm


Yusaru
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Yusaru
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Blue eyes sucks. Red eyes suck. Dark Magician sucks.


Without them the game would be nothing. Most people sought after them back in the day. They are perfect Faces of Yugioh!


Ok this is wrong. Collectors and kids sought after them, players who were competitive were not. Those weren't the faces of yugioh, There were many others that people would know. Look it up.



In order to play this game, you must first collect the cards to do so....Making us all collectors of the cards. =P Oh that's deep. XD
Dude there are people that just collect the cards and not play. Then there are people like me that trade everything that is not needed to get more useful cards, to keep things neat. Your argument is fail.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:54 pm


axean
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Axean, I'm posting via my iPhone while on a bus headed towards a Civil War reenactment. I will have in depth posts later tonight, if my hotel has Wifi, if not then Sunday afternoon I will crush Sharb and Amangina or whatever his name is. I ask that you keep the thread open so that we might coordinate these duels.

Shrab, set the set limit. What set would you like to be able to use up to? Know that I don't own most of the older stuff so I will be using YVD to supplement.

Amangina, we will play soon enough. Full match, with sidedecks. YVD won't be necessary for me here.


lol. Very well. just try to keep from bashing one another until then.
Still posting from iPhone. I conceed to this and will do what I can to keep general peace.

Will still give a full reply to my two opponents when the opportunity arises. For now, I await Shrab's reply to my inquiry.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:07 pm


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Yusaru
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Yusaru
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Blue eyes sucks. Red eyes suck. Dark Magician sucks.


Without them the game would be nothing. Most people sought after them back in the day. They are perfect Faces of Yugioh!


Ok this is wrong. Collectors and kids sought after them, players who were competitive were not. Those weren't the faces of yugioh, There were many others that people would know. Look it up.



In order to play this game, you must first collect the cards to do so....Making us all collectors of the cards. =P Oh that's deep. XD
Dude there are people that just collect the cards and not play. Then there are people like me that trade everything that is not needed to get more useful cards, to keep things neat. Your argument is fail.


No, my friend, your argument has failed. If you have the cards, you can be considered a collector. If you're trading many off to get some new, more useful ones, you're still considered a collector. You're just centering more around certain cards / kinds of cards / groups of cards.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:23 pm


Amensu Saje
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Yusaru
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Yusaru
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Blue eyes sucks. Red eyes suck. Dark Magician sucks.


Without them the game would be nothing. Most people sought after them back in the day. They are perfect Faces of Yugioh!


Ok this is wrong. Collectors and kids sought after them, players who were competitive were not. Those weren't the faces of yugioh, There were many others that people would know. Look it up.



In order to play this game, you must first collect the cards to do so....Making us all collectors of the cards. =P Oh that's deep. XD
Dude there are people that just collect the cards and not play. Then there are people like me that trade everything that is not needed to get more useful cards, to keep things neat. Your argument is fail.


No, my friend, your argument has failed. If you have the cards, you can be considered a collector. If you're trading many off to get some new, more useful ones, you're still considered a collector. You're just centering more around certain cards / kinds of cards / groups of cards.
Im sorry but are you going to say that I a dealer for a store collects cards to sell them, you are sadly mistaken. I think Ill challenge you like Mustard and Grav, name how you want to do it and I will glady verse you, except YVD (Im not downloading it)

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:29 pm


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Yusaru
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Ok this is wrong. Collectors and kids sought after them, players who were competitive were not. Those weren't the faces of yugioh, There were many others that people would know. Look it up.



In order to play this game, you must first collect the cards to do so....Making us all collectors of the cards. =P Oh that's deep. XD
Dude there are people that just collect the cards and not play. Then there are people like me that trade everything that is not needed to get more useful cards, to keep things neat. Your argument is fail.


No, my friend, your argument has failed. If you have the cards, you can be considered a collector. If you're trading many off to get some new, more useful ones, you're still considered a collector. You're just centering more around certain cards / kinds of cards / groups of cards.
Im sorry but are you going to say that I a dealer for a store collects cards to sell them, you are sadly mistaken. I think Ill challenge you like Mustard and Grav, name how you want to do it and I will glady verse you, except YVD (Im not downloading it)


Well, the only deck I currently have is more of a fun deck, but I'd be willing to verse you with it, I guess. :] And that works for me because I'm not downloading it, either. Anyway, do you have a hotmail or anything that we could do it over? Or do we need to create a thread here in YDoG for it? It's your choice.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:40 pm


Yusaru
TwinHeart
Blue eyes sucks. Red eyes suck. Dark Magician sucks.


Without them the game would be nothing. Most people sought after them back in the day. They are perfect Faces of Yugioh!


I agree with Yusaru, they are the first faces of yugioh. They were the trump cards ofthe main characters all the fans liked. Not to mention the fact that they each have alot of cards that were made just for them. You could make BEWD, REBD or DM deck and they'd beable to hang in there against some of the newer decks.

I miss the old days when you had to come up with a strange deck idea to get far. Now its all about using pre-made sets eversence GX.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:05 pm


Shahal Rainrix
Yusaru
TwinHeart
Blue eyes sucks. Red eyes suck. Dark Magician sucks.


Without them the game would be nothing. Most people sought after them back in the day. They are perfect Faces of Yugioh!


I agree with Yusaru, they are the first faces of yugioh. They were the trump cards ofthe main characters all the fans liked. Not to mention the fact that they each have alot of cards that were made just for them. You could make BEWD, REBD or DM deck and they'd beable to hang in there against some of the newer decks.

I miss the old days when you had to come up with a strange deck idea to get far. Now its all about using pre-made sets eversence GX.


BEWD, REBD, and BM decks CANNOT stand against current meta.

If you made a general dragon deck with the right cards (incorporating REDMD in there), you could have something flexible and possibly noteworthy.

If you made a spellcaster deck focused around a particular goal, you could have something okay.

If you built for those old generic cards (that may be classic but are nowhere NEAR valid in today's format), you will lose...HARD.

Like I've said before, there are a lot of cards I like. I LOVE summoned skull, as well as several low power normal monsters from LOB, but I'm at least smart enought to know that decks built around them won't last.

If you want to have what you like and make it good, use one of the retrained BM cards (like Endymion) to support spellcaster, or a retrained REBD (such as Red eyes darkness metal dragon) to make an impact. Don't go in unprepared for the decktypes that are out and will soon come out. Be prepared with powerful retrained versions.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 6:33 pm


Gravitational Molestation
Yusaru
I apologize for any offense taken by anything I've said.

I respect all of your opinions, but keep in mind, they're just opinions. no reason to fight and argue over something that took place so long ago. This topic was meant to bring back memories. NOT to start a war.

Thank you.
Derp, opinions can be backed up by fact. Opposing opinions are backed up with fact, theory, and hypotheticals in discussion. I have done this, you have not. There is no "agree to disagree" going to happen here. I will gladly continue this with others if you choose to retreat and not support your opinion.

Point being, there was no skill back in those days.

SOLIDNSNAKE
I understand it doesnt have anything going for it, but i still find it to be awesome, statistically it is terrible, but back in the day it was amazing. but it being minus one, thats kinda the point of a big scary anything. you have to sacrifice alot for something powerful.
You're kidding me. Right? Please? No, it's you, definitely not. At first I started reading and figured, "Oh, my bad, he was just saying he loves Blue Eyes, well I'm just an a** for continuing then." THEN, THEN you had to add the bolded.

No! It wasn't! How many times do I have to repeat this? It was horrible for all the reasons I've stated.

Listen, we can make decks based on the 2002 limitations list and duel if you want. Your use of Blue Eyes will be your undoing and I won't lose a single game to Blue Eyes.


i do love blue eyes. and in my terms back in the day it was amazing, it still is but to me i realize that compared to now its bad. you can say its bad for your reasons or math or whatever. but back in the day it was amazing to me. it seems you need to kinda just chill and even if i was saying what your implying then what does it matter?

TimithyEcho


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:25 pm


shrab
gravitational... really!? no skill back then??????? then what do you call the game right now? its become (meta wise) just a big group of people willing to waste money on a bunch of cards to make the what maybe 5 decks that are seen as the best at that time then that's it they build their generic copycat decks and none of them take any skill because they know the strategy the deck is built for and they use it. everything plays itself unless you're stupid.
First, did I not just say that today's game is just as skilless as it was back then? I did actually. I specifically said today's game was skilless but the skilless plays were more powerful. Also, and Mustard will provide a better list if they are interested, today's meta has somewhere around ten to twelve good tier one to one point five decks. Samurai, Fish, Formula Monarchs, X-Sabers, Doppel Plants, Plant Chaos, Generic Plants, Malefic Drain, Gemini City, Gemini Beatdown, Empty Jar, Karakuri Machina Plant, Generic Chaos, Tigerless Gladiators, Infernities, Gravekeeper's, etc are all seen in today's game. Yes you won't see all of them top a YCS but they are all viable threats. The reason you won't see them top a YCS is simple, popularity. The less popular decks have to be more consistent to even think of topping. Also, waste of money? The most expensive cards in the game are Pot of Duality and Solemn Warning. Pot of Duality is only necessary for a handful of decks so you can ignore it. Solemn Warning is a staple, sure. I had a playset (sold one when it was semi limited). Guess how much I spent on it? $58. I ripped some kid off right? No. I preordered. I was intelligent enough to know that it was a game breaking card and I picked them up at about $20 a pop before they hit their now $60-70 ultra rare price. It's your own fault you didn't pay attention like a competitive player would. Deal with it. If you don't want to pay attention to what's coming out and predict what's good and what's not, if you want to play more casually, cool. Just don't expect to be able to take on intelligent players who DO do those things.
shrab
that isn't skill at all. in the past allot of staples existed yes but the basic builds and strategies could be more easily varied which added the element of competitive play with originality, strategy and general fun. sooooooo yeah skill in this game (at least in competitive environments) has died and the only skill anyone shows is those few that actually start that new big deck that everyone is just going to copy.
Sadly, you're utterly wrong. Variation exists even in today's game. If you can't see it, that's your own issue. Also, did you even play competitively back then? I doubt it. If you had you would know the ridiculousness that cookie cutters were back then too. They were slower but the principle was the same as what you're complaining about. Variation existed but in small doses just like today. Hell, back in the days of Goat Control there was ONE top deck. Goat Control. That was THE deck. Now we have, as I addressed before, somewhere around a dozen.
shrab
and about the blue eyes... ill actually take that challenge. not to prove anything. just because it'd be sooooo funny to beat someone with a blue eyes after they are just all like it sucks here's my reason stfu. your silly XD
As I already stated earlier, up to what set would you like this challenge to be? Only LOB? Up to MRD? MRL? PGD? Set an end point. Also, as I said before, I'll be using proxies to cover for limitation differences and the obvious difference in top tier decks.
shrab
... oh and sorry. i just love a good feud. but even still sorry for this cuz im just carrying it along razz
It's all good, I'm slightly entertained by it.
SOLIDNSNAKE
i do love blue eyes. and in my terms back in the day it was amazing, it still is but to me i realize that compared to now its bad. you can say its bad for your reasons or math or whatever. but back in the day it was amazing to me. it seems you need to kinda just chill and even if i was saying what your implying then what does it matter?
I am quite calm. Always am in these things.

It's not a matter of opinion. Blue Eyes was not top tier. Period. You may have liked it but it was not amazing. Shrab will be showing as much when he does not win with Blue Eyes. Regardless of if he wins or not, he won't win with Blue Eyes.
Amensu Saje
Opinion can move to arrogance because you get so caught up in your own opinion and what you think that you then become arrogant to everything else. Just trying to further your education. It seems to be lacking.
Uh, wrong. An attitude or presentation of an opinion can be arrogant, absolutely, but an opinion never changes from an opinion until it is set in stone by fact. Opinion =/= arrogance. Just trying to eliminate your misunderstanding of the English language. It seems to be high.

Amensu Saje
Blackwings were just an example, actually. I wasn't actually saying that you were running Blackings. That's what question marks are for. A question. I was simply asking if you were running Blackwings, and then I simply stated that it would explain why you are the way you are. So, in this case, you're wrong, because I can't be wrong if I'm asking a question and then making a simple example / statement. Sorry.
Uh no. You were implying that you believed I ran Blackwings due to the attitude I have. Questions can be wrong. Watch this. "If I rubbed my d**k into an electrical outlet, wouldn't flowers bloom out of my a**?" So can simple statements, "If birds and bugs are the only thing I see flying then all flying creatures are obviously birds or bugs." See? These are wrong. Also, you clearly said that you were guessing that I ran Blackwings. You clearly said that you thought I ran Blackwings. So, telling you that I don't is not incorrect and telling you to try again (to guess again) is also not wrong. Unless you mean that I am wrong in saying that I run whatever I feel like? Well then you're just silly and wrong.
Amensu Saje
Well, rather than pointing out that people are wrong, or that what they like / dislike is stupid, you could try being constructive and using your knowledge to help 'em out. So far all I see you do in this guild is bash everything that everybody says. You never give advice / constructive criticism. Those are what people want when they post things [e.g.:: deck lists, questions, etc.].
Lawl I don't? Correction in game theory, correction in misconceptions about the history of the game, etc etc. I slaughter ignorance and idiocy in this guild. Obviously someone hasn't been looking at things from different angles. I will not be a "good cop" for this guild. I will only destroy. Why? Much more interesting to do. If someone asks for help, as you have done earlier today and even told me you "respect me as a duelist", I will offer it. I hold no animosity towards people in this guild. If someone comes to me for help I'll help. If someone posts a decklist, I'll help... if I feel like it. If someone posts a misconception or something utterly wrong? I'll destroy it.
Amensu Saje
Okay, if you think you're all that at dueling, and your "facts," "knowledges," etc. are always "right," why don't we duel? We'll see if your deck works better, or mine. I'll admit the deck I'd duel with isn't the best. It's simply just a fun deck to use. In fact, some of the cards don't even have any value in the deck... they're just there. But I'd be more than willing to try it out against you. What do you say?
As I said earlier, I accept this. You will have to wait until Monday at the earliest to get anything out of me though. I'm currently away from home at a Civil War reenactment.

Keep trying. This is fun.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:43 pm


whether they will win or not, i like them and i consider them the best reguardless of statistics. sorry.

TimithyEcho


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:53 pm


SOLIDNSNAKE
whether they will win or not, i like them and i consider them the best reguardless of statistics. sorry.
Statistics OR common sense apparently. Bows and arrows don't win in today's wars. Bullets and artillery do.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:58 pm


Shahal Rainrix
Yusaru
TwinHeart
Blue eyes sucks. Red eyes suck. Dark Magician sucks.


Without them the game would be nothing. Most people sought after them back in the day. They are perfect Faces of Yugioh!


I agree with Yusaru, they are the first faces of yugioh. They were the trump cards ofthe main characters all the fans liked. Not to mention the fact that they each have alot of cards that were made just for them. You could make BEWD, REBD or DM deck and they'd beable to hang in there against some of the newer decks.

I miss the old days when you had to come up with a strange deck idea to get far. Now its all about using pre-made sets eversence GX.



yeah. A deck based on them could work really well! because Effect monsters aren't the only supported cards....they have plenty of cards supporting normal monsters too! =) lol. not as effect all the time, but it still works. =)

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:59 pm


lol ok fair enough. but yeah back then i didnt even see a competitive area of play. im probably thinking back way to far in that case though to when their were like not many cards at all. but w/e that doesnt even matter. as for the challenge lol it sounds fun. and why limit it to sets. i say if blue eyes is to proove anything then it should be proven with all cards available. i really do think blue eyes is playable. not as good as other things. but certainly playable especially with all the dragon support that exists that could help one along... i was trying to type more but my brain just kinda died on me. going to sleep now @.@
PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 12:31 am


Blue eyes = not playable. But i think they are collectable lol

Tsukinoki


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 5:53 am


shrab
lol ok fair enough. but yeah back then i didnt even see a competitive area of play. im probably thinking back way to far in that case though to when their were like not many cards at all. but w/e that doesnt even matter. as for the challenge lol it sounds fun. and why limit it to sets. i say if blue eyes is to proove anything then it should be proven with all cards available. i really do think blue eyes is playable. not as good as other things. but certainly playable especially with all the dragon support that exists that could help one along... i was trying to type more but my brain just kinda died on me. going to sleep now @.@
Uh, sure, we can play with the current card availability. The point of the ENTIRE CONVERSATION was that Blue Eyes was not playable in the past as EVERYONE, even Solid Snake, agreed that Blue Eyes was not playable in today's game.

Whatever then. Monday I'll be available to play.
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