Defluffing: Why "I believe, thus it's right for me" is wrong

[Cyrus the Elder]

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Cyrus the Elder

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Gho the Girl

Did PrometheanSet leave? ninja

yes, after thoroughly dismissing and demeaning not only the participants, but even those who had no clue of what was going on until he pmed them, he called it quits.

*sighs* no one ever PMs me to demean me these days, I feel so unhated emo

sorry? neutral

Is that a "What the ******** are you talking about" sorry, or a "Erm...sorry...I guess?" sorry? ninja  

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Cyrus the Elder

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Cyrus the Elder

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Gho the Girl

Did PrometheanSet leave? ninja

yes, after thoroughly dismissing and demeaning not only the participants, but even those who had no clue of what was going on until he pmed them, he called it quits.

*sighs* no one ever PMs me to demean me these days, I feel so unhated emo

sorry? neutral

Is that a "What the ******** are you talking about" sorry, or a "Erm...sorry...I guess?" sorry? ninja

the latter - i couldn't think up a snarky enough response, such as "well you could always go trolling in ED, make suppositions and not support them"  

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TeaDidikai

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I just take the perspective that it works because the gods allow it. If it falls within what they take as acceptable, it works. If not... well, it doesn't work!

Is there more to it than that?

That position really only works if deities are omnipotent. If they aren't, then it's possible for their followers to do things that will work, but are still highly inappropriate.

And what if you don't have deities! *gasps*

Uhm, how would it follow through as a religion? Unless its basically a philosophy or atheism I don't follow.

There are atheistic religions.

LaVeyan Satanism? That's the only one I know of outside of Atheism in a Christian context. One could label it as atheism and nihilism, with a touch of some kind of magic, and common sense phrases. But, when you look at it, that idea of Satanism boils down to a philosophy.

Am I missing something more?

Cyrus the Elder

saint dreya

Gho the Girl

Did PrometheanSet leave? ninja

yes, after thoroughly dismissing and demeaning not only the participants, but even those who had no clue of what was going on until he pmed them, he called it quits.

*sighs* no one ever PMs me to demean me these days, I feel so unhated emo

Uhm, isn't that a good thing?  

[Cyrus the Elder]

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Cyrus the Elder

saint dreya

Gho the Girl

Did PrometheanSet leave? ninja

yes, after thoroughly dismissing and demeaning not only the participants, but even those who had no clue of what was going on until he pmed them, he called it quits.

*sighs* no one ever PMs me to demean me these days, I feel so unhated emo

Uhm, isn't that a good thing?

Not really. I have a reputation to defame! ninja  

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There are atheistic religions.

LaVeyan Satanism? That's the only one I know of outside of Atheism in a Christian context. One could label it as atheism and nihilism, with a touch of some kind of magic, and common sense phrases. But, when you look at it, that idea of Satanism boils down to a philosophy.

Am I missing something more?

Satanism possesses philosophy, members, rituals and beliefs regarding the nature of reality. So it fits the definition of religion.

Etherism is also an atheistic religion, albeit a very new one.  

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@Everyone:

Do we seriously need to rag on PrometheanSet after he has already left? It's unbelievably disrespectful and discourteous to mock someone when they aren't around.

It certainly doesn't let us retain the moral high ground, no matter how wrong or asinine the person being mocked was. He's still a person and we ought to treat him as one.

For ******** sake people, I expect better from those I respect. >.<

Edit: After talking over it with Celeblin, I'm just going to back off.

I get that people need to vent if someone was really irritating. I just don't like the way it's being done here. I think that the way it's been done here is not a good way. I find it discourteous and that bothers me in people I respect.

But that's just my way of seeing things and I won't push it beyond that.  

[Cyrus the Elder]

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@Everyone:

I take exception to this. I haven't mocked him at all, yet I am one, and a member of the set "every" stare  

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Cyrus the Elder

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@Everyone:

I take exception to this. I haven't mocked him at all, yet I am one, and a member of the set "every" stare

I interpreted your comments about not receiving hate mail from him as mockery.

It was certainly a joke made at his expense.  

[Cyrus the Elder]

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@Everyone:

I take exception to this. I haven't mocked him at all, yet I am one, and a member of the set "every" stare

I interpreted your comments about not receiving hate mail from him as mockery.

It was certainly a joke made at his expense.

No, more of a general statement of a trend of people getting PM's from people in M&R and here ranting about horrible they are, and no one ever PMing me in such a fashion.

Either way, you really shouldn't assume, it was a joke made in loose reference to him, but not a "mock" in any sense of the word. 3nodding

Slight edit: I'm an a*****e and a massive c**k, but, you know, if anyone's gonna call me out on it, at least call me out on a situation where I actually am being an a*****e and/or c**k ninja  

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Cyrus the Elder

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@Everyone:

I take exception to this. I haven't mocked him at all, yet I am one, and a member of the set "every" stare

I interpreted your comments about not receiving hate mail from him as mockery.

It was certainly a joke made at his expense.

No, more of a general statement of a trend of people getting PM's from people in M&R and here ranting about horrible they are, and no one ever PMing me in such a fashion.

Okay.

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Either way, you really shouldn't assume, it was a joke made in loose reference to him, but not a "mock" in any sense of the word. 3nodding

Bolded is key, while he wasn't here to defend himself or enjoy the humor at his expense, while other people were mocking him. That's still contributing to an issue even if you aren't a primary part of it.

But I won't look at you as directly mocking him. You've convinced me of that at least.

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Slight edit: I'm an a*****e and a massive c**k, but, you know, if anyone's gonna call me out on it, at least call me out on a situation where I actually am being an a*****e and/or c**k ninja

To be entirely fair, that @Everyone was more a way to raise a point and not an accusation leveled at "everyone". After all, everyone includes people who have never posted in this thread and even myself.

Just because the point is raised to you doesn't mean you were part of the issue (even though I still think your actions still contributed, if in a lesser sense)  

[Cyrus the Elder]

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To be entirely fair, that @Everyone was more a way to raise a point and not an accusation leveled at "everyone". After all, everyone includes people who have never posted in this thread and even myself.

Fair enough. Blanket statements just make me twitch ninja

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Just because the point is raised to you doesn't mean you were part of the issue (even though I still think your actions still contributed, if in a lesser sense)

Well, I'd say whilst my actions may have contributed to the discussion going on, if anything, they actually moved things away from mocking promethean and towards a light-hearted lampooning of myself 3nodding  

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After talking over it with Celeblin, I'm just going to back off.

I get that people need to vent if someone was really irritating. I just don't like the way it's being done here. I think that the way it's been done here is not a good way.

But that's just my way of seeing things and I won't push it beyond that.

Cyrus the Elder

Fair enough. Blanket statements just make me twitch ninja

It certainly wasn't meant to be. Well beyond the blanket statement that everyone ought to at least hear what I say. *nod*

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Well, I'd say whilst my actions may have contributed to the discussion going on, if anything, they actually moved things away from mocking promethean and towards a light-hearted lampooning of myself 3nodding

I guess I could see that interpretation. *nod*  

[TeaDidikai]

Oh! Do we get to turn this thread into a new and interesting discussion on proper conduct, hypocrisy and mocking?  

[Gho the Girl]

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@Everyone:

Do we seriously need to rag on PrometheanSet after he has already left? It's unbelievably disrespectful and discourteous to mock someone when they aren't around.

It certainly doesn't let us retain the moral high ground, no matter how wrong or asinine the person being mocked was. He's still a person and we ought to treat him as one.

For ******** sake people, I expect better from those I respect. >.<

Edit: After talking over it with Celeblin, I'm just going to back off.

I get that people need to vent if someone was really irritating. I just don't like the way it's being done here. I think that the way it's been done here is not a good way. I find it discourteous and that bothers me in people I respect.

But that's just my way of seeing things and I won't push it beyond that.

*shrugs* Sure, I guess.

Still, he was extremely rude to everyone here. God forbid we make light of it.