The topic which rapidly degenerated... [MISC]

[Foetus In Fetu]

You speak like that?

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[A Lost Iguana]

The blue text does stand out.  

[illyrianth]

Perhaps this SHOULD technically go in to the Politics sub forum...but what the hey?

Is anyone else finding the discomfort of Mr Blair, due to the actions of three of his most prominent ministers...Is anyone else finding it deeply satisfying, as well as highly entertaining?

XD  

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Foetus In Fetu

You speak like that?

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Yes...is this a bad thing?  

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illyrianth

Perhaps this SHOULD technically go in to the Politics sub forum...but what the hey?

Is anyone else finding the discomfort of Mr Blair, due to the actions of three of his most prominent ministers...Is anyone else finding it deeply satisfying, as well as highly entertaining?

XD

It's really good fun, schadenfreude is not an exclusively German trait at all.

I've been waiting for something to get rid of Charles Clarke, and this must surely be it. That man is dangerous, unintelligent and irresponsible. Now it is all so blindingly clear, I'm hoping he'll be got rid of.

Labour Party is a laughing stock.

It makes me happy.

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illyrianth

Perhaps this SHOULD technically go in to the Politics sub forum...but what the hey?

Is anyone else finding the discomfort of Mr Blair, due to the actions of three of his most prominent ministers...Is anyone else finding it deeply satisfying, as well as highly entertaining?

XD

Yeah it is quite entertaining, except for one thing.
The foreign murders running about the country thing. That has to be good for the BNP and really, I think I'd prefer the murders running about the country than BNP in power.  

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Foetus In Fetu

You speak like that?

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neutral

Yes...is this a bad thing?

It's not bad, just just a bit, uh, prim and proper. I could feasibly see you being beaten up in Nottingham. neutral

I know that when I type I tend to use more [pseudo-]intellectual vocabulary than I do during spontaneous speech. If you think about the real me as being about half as eloquent in real life, and even I had problems with people who thought the words I used were "too long" and ragged on me for being pretentious. That's all.  

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Foetus In Fetu

You speak like that?

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neutral

Yes...is this a bad thing?

It's not bad, just just a bit, uh, prim and proper. I could feasibly see you being beaten up in Nottingham. neutral

I know that when I type I tend to use more [pseudo-]intellectual vocabulary than I do during spontaneous speech. If you think about the real me as being about half as eloquent in real life, and even I had problems with people who thought the words I used were "too long" and ragged on me for being pretentious. That's all.

Ah, it's fine. My accent has mellowed considerably, I think it's probably the bullying that did it to me.

People still sometimes think I'm pretentious, but I'm really not. So they can sod off and die.

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[Boolean Julian]

I think I actually speak more floridly in realy life. Sometimes. Other times I speak in a thoroughly uneducated manner.  

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Am I the only person who doesn't really care much about the whole foreign criminals thing?  

[A Lost Iguana]

I care, but it reflects more upon the Civil Service than the government.  

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A Lost Iguana

I care, but it reflects more upon the Civil Service than the government.

Really?

The problems were, as I understand it, presented to the government sometime last year. If not before. And the politicins didn't resolve the problems.

Well, that's how I thought it happened. But even if I'm wrong. The refusal to accept responsibility for his neglect of and ignorance of his own responsibilities reflects critically on Clarke.

This mess is beyond a joke.  

[A Lost Iguana]

Clarke did admit responsibility: he offered to resign to the PM at the very start but his request was refused, hence, he refuses to stand down when questioned by the press. Do not spin it as if he thinks he has done nothing wrong or that he is not to blame.

The whole thing is a mess, but lets not kid ourselves. The Home Office cocked up big time and it should not need the Home Secretary to micro-manage the situation. He is culpable, but then so are all the various civil servants who are not doing their job properly. Clarke is supposed to have changed the system back in October, but this did not become public until recently.

I do not think that heads should roll every time there is a mishap. You replace a minister who knows the role with someone else. Charles Clarke, like a lot of MPs is not an idiot and I do not think that getting rid of him will serve any purpose at all.

At the moment the press have a meaty angle of the government and are twisting the knife because it is shifting papers or getting ratings.


Let me put it this way, I trust politicians more than I trust media reporting.  

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A Lost Iguana

Clarke did admit responsibility: he offered to resign to the PM at the very start but his request was refused, hence, he refuses to stand down when questioned by the press. Do not spin it as if he thinks he has done nothing wrong or that he is not to blame.

The whole thing is a mess, but lets not kid ourselves. The Home Office cocked up big time and it should not need the Home Secretary to micro-manage the situation. He is culpable, but then so are all the various civil servants who are not doing their job properly. Clarke is supposed to have changed the system back in October, but this did not become public until recently.

I do not think that heads should roll every time there is a mishap. You replace a minister who knows the role with someone else. Charles Clarke, like a lot of MPs is not an idiot and I do not think that getting rid of him will serve any purpose at all.

At the moment the press have a meaty angle of the government and are twisting the knife because it is shifting papers or getting ratings.


Let me put it this way, I trust politicians more than I trust media reporting.

His blithe underplaying is rather spinny though.

I must admit, my motives for wanting his head to roll are not exactly pure. He is dangerous, really. One fewer of those New Labour buggers playing merry-hell with the constitutional workings of the country can only be a good thing.

I mean, it was quite a close-run thing making them amend the Legislative and Regulatory Reform bill so as to not award absolute power to the cabinet. Any government that awards itself more power at almost every turn, and needs strong and prolonged opposition to not walk toward dictatorship and away from local democracy needs as many heads rolling as possible.  

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