stop calling me a ******** goth

[Rellik San]

EmoXPickles_________x

Rellik San

EmoXPickles_________x

Rellik San

EmoXPickles_________x

Rellik San

Ok, so rather then be rational, your going to perpetuate this image of being scary and villainous supposed goths have, by yelling at an 11 year old over the internet... instead of explaining the differance properly.

She has these stupid ideas about everything.
It just annoys me that one can say something about a group of people and then get mad at another group for doing the same thing.
I never said I was goth, but I love everything it stands for, it is nowhere near scary or anything.

Thats besides the point, you over reacted, to an 11 year old, there is no defence for what you did. You didn't even make an effort to explain the differance properly.

An 11 year old shouldn't be here.
Also, they really shouldn't be judging anyone just because they're "different".
I don't really care if I "did something wrong"
I'm standing up for what I believe in.
I'm way too frustrated to even explain to her what it really is.
Let alone, calmly.

Actually anyone under 13 can join with parental consent. So she is entitled to be here as much as you, just because she's younger, doesn't make her opinions any less valid as you seem to believe, age is not a factor. Your not standing up for anything, your yelling at a kid, because she doesn't know any better, does it make you feel big, you'd never dare compete with me, or any other senior member of this guild in that manner. In other words, you don't know yourself, obviously, or else you wouldn't get so wound up, I will not let alone until you give Plenair1 an official apology.

She should know better.
At 11, she should at least research.
It's horrible that she would even state that goth is "scary"
It doesn't make me feel "bigger"
Not at all
She just needs to learn to get to know a certain group of people before she even opens her mouth, or in this case, types it out.
I have no reason to apologize.
She should be apologizing for saying something like she did.

How do most people learn, by asking questions, so don't get all high and mighty. And as it happens, to someone from an outside perspective, goth can be scary, think about it logically for a second. For all you know, maybe thats what the 'goths' where she lives are like, you don't know. You have every reason to apologise.  

[BlairyFairy]

Rellik San

EmoXPickles_________x

Rellik San

EmoXPickles_________x

Rellik San

Thats besides the point, you over reacted, to an 11 year old, there is no defence for what you did. You didn't even make an effort to explain the differance properly.

An 11 year old shouldn't be here.
Also, they really shouldn't be judging anyone just because they're "different".
I don't really care if I "did something wrong"
I'm standing up for what I believe in.
I'm way too frustrated to even explain to her what it really is.
Let alone, calmly.

Actually anyone under 13 can join with parental consent. So she is entitled to be here as much as you, just because she's younger, doesn't make her opinions any less valid as you seem to believe, age is not a factor. Your not standing up for anything, your yelling at a kid, because she doesn't know any better, does it make you feel big, you'd never dare compete with me, or any other senior member of this guild in that manner. In other words, you don't know yourself, obviously, or else you wouldn't get so wound up, I will not let alone until you give Plenair1 an official apology.

She should know better.
At 11, she should at least research.
It's horrible that she would even state that goth is "scary"
It doesn't make me feel "bigger"
Not at all
She just needs to learn to get to know a certain group of people before she even opens her mouth, or in this case, types it out.
I have no reason to apologize.
She should be apologizing for saying something like she did.

How do most people learn, by asking questions, so don't get all high and mighty. And as it happens, to someone from an outside perspective, goth can be scary, think about it logically for a second. For all you know, maybe thats what the 'goths' where she lives are like, you don't know. You have every reason to apologise.

She wasn't asking a question, she was stating her answer to the thread. The "goths" where she live then, are most likely what the real ones, call posers, because the last thing they're out to do is scare someone.
By stating that they are scary, she is contributing to the stereotype and letting it grow, making goths seem more horrible.
I do not have to apologize.
You can't make me, neither can anyone.
Delete me from the group.
Ban me.
Do as you please, but I will never apologize for saying what I did.
There is a truth in what I have said, and apologizing would take it all back and make me less of a person, in a sense.
It's what I believe in.  

[XXX Zombie Porn]

To be fair goths are quite scary.
And I am friends with a few.  

[Rellik San]

EmoXPickles_________x

Rellik San

EmoXPickles_________x

Rellik San

EmoXPickles_________x

Rellik San

Thats besides the point, you over reacted, to an 11 year old, there is no defence for what you did. You didn't even make an effort to explain the differance properly.

An 11 year old shouldn't be here.
Also, they really shouldn't be judging anyone just because they're "different".
I don't really care if I "did something wrong"
I'm standing up for what I believe in.
I'm way too frustrated to even explain to her what it really is.
Let alone, calmly.

Actually anyone under 13 can join with parental consent. So she is entitled to be here as much as you, just because she's younger, doesn't make her opinions any less valid as you seem to believe, age is not a factor. Your not standing up for anything, your yelling at a kid, because she doesn't know any better, does it make you feel big, you'd never dare compete with me, or any other senior member of this guild in that manner. In other words, you don't know yourself, obviously, or else you wouldn't get so wound up, I will not let alone until you give Plenair1 an official apology.

She should know better.
At 11, she should at least research.
It's horrible that she would even state that goth is "scary"
It doesn't make me feel "bigger"
Not at all
She just needs to learn to get to know a certain group of people before she even opens her mouth, or in this case, types it out.
I have no reason to apologize.
She should be apologizing for saying something like she did.

How do most people learn, by asking questions, so don't get all high and mighty. And as it happens, to someone from an outside perspective, goth can be scary, think about it logically for a second. For all you know, maybe thats what the 'goths' where she lives are like, you don't know. You have every reason to apologise.

She wasn't asking a question, she was stating her answer to the thread. The "goths" where she live then, are most likely what the real ones, call posers, because the last thing they're out to do is scare someone.
By stating that they are scary, she is contributing to the stereotype and letting it grow, making goths seem more horrible.
I do not have to apologize.
You can't make me, neither can anyone.
Delete me from the group.
Ban me.
Do as you please, but I will never apologize for saying what I did.
There is a truth in what I have said, and apologizing would take it all back and make me less of a person, in a sense.
It's what I believe in.

I'm not asking you to apologise for your opinion, I'm asking you to apologise for over reacting and yelling at someone who doesn't know better, if apologising for that makes you less of a person, then I guess I barely qualify as human in your eyes, I won't ban or warn you this time, just watch how you react and calm down, or else things will start getting official. That is not up for debate, thats a fact.  

[BlairyFairy]

Rellik San

EmoXPickles_________x

Rellik San

EmoXPickles_________x

Rellik San

Actually anyone under 13 can join with parental consent. So she is entitled to be here as much as you, just because she's younger, doesn't make her opinions any less valid as you seem to believe, age is not a factor. Your not standing up for anything, your yelling at a kid, because she doesn't know any better, does it make you feel big, you'd never dare compete with me, or any other senior member of this guild in that manner. In other words, you don't know yourself, obviously, or else you wouldn't get so wound up, I will not let alone until you give Plenair1 an official apology.

She should know better.
At 11, she should at least research.
It's horrible that she would even state that goth is "scary"
It doesn't make me feel "bigger"
Not at all
She just needs to learn to get to know a certain group of people before she even opens her mouth, or in this case, types it out.
I have no reason to apologize.
She should be apologizing for saying something like she did.

How do most people learn, by asking questions, so don't get all high and mighty. And as it happens, to someone from an outside perspective, goth can be scary, think about it logically for a second. For all you know, maybe thats what the 'goths' where she lives are like, you don't know. You have every reason to apologise.

She wasn't asking a question, she was stating her answer to the thread. The "goths" where she live then, are most likely what the real ones, call posers, because the last thing they're out to do is scare someone.
By stating that they are scary, she is contributing to the stereotype and letting it grow, making goths seem more horrible.
I do not have to apologize.
You can't make me, neither can anyone.
Delete me from the group.
Ban me.
Do as you please, but I will never apologize for saying what I did.
There is a truth in what I have said, and apologizing would take it all back and make me less of a person, in a sense.
It's what I believe in.

I'm not asking you to apologise for your opinion, I'm asking you to apologise for over reacting and yelling at someone who doesn't know better, if apologising for that makes you less of a person, then I guess I barely qualify as human in your eyes, I won't ban or warn you this time, just watch how you react and calm down, or else things will start getting official. That is not up for debate, thats a fact.

I still don't think I should apologize for that.
She didn't know better.
But she shouldn't have said something if she didn't.  

[Rellik San]

EmoXPickles_________x

Rellik San

EmoXPickles_________x

Rellik San

EmoXPickles_________x

Rellik San

Actually anyone under 13 can join with parental consent. So she is entitled to be here as much as you, just because she's younger, doesn't make her opinions any less valid as you seem to believe, age is not a factor. Your not standing up for anything, your yelling at a kid, because she doesn't know any better, does it make you feel big, you'd never dare compete with me, or any other senior member of this guild in that manner. In other words, you don't know yourself, obviously, or else you wouldn't get so wound up, I will not let alone until you give Plenair1 an official apology.

She should know better.
At 11, she should at least research.
It's horrible that she would even state that goth is "scary"
It doesn't make me feel "bigger"
Not at all
She just needs to learn to get to know a certain group of people before she even opens her mouth, or in this case, types it out.
I have no reason to apologize.
She should be apologizing for saying something like she did.

How do most people learn, by asking questions, so don't get all high and mighty. And as it happens, to someone from an outside perspective, goth can be scary, think about it logically for a second. For all you know, maybe thats what the 'goths' where she lives are like, you don't know. You have every reason to apologise.

She wasn't asking a question, she was stating her answer to the thread. The "goths" where she live then, are most likely what the real ones, call posers, because the last thing they're out to do is scare someone.
By stating that they are scary, she is contributing to the stereotype and letting it grow, making goths seem more horrible.
I do not have to apologize.
You can't make me, neither can anyone.
Delete me from the group.
Ban me.
Do as you please, but I will never apologize for saying what I did.
There is a truth in what I have said, and apologizing would take it all back and make me less of a person, in a sense.
It's what I believe in.

I'm not asking you to apologise for your opinion, I'm asking you to apologise for over reacting and yelling at someone who doesn't know better, if apologising for that makes you less of a person, then I guess I barely qualify as human in your eyes, I won't ban or warn you this time, just watch how you react and calm down, or else things will start getting official. That is not up for debate, thats a fact.

I still don't think I should apologize for that.
She didn't know better.
But she shouldn't have said something if she didn't.

Well then, what does goth stand for, you said you supported what it stood for, so tell us what that is. I have an entire goth guild and an original goth for reference, so this should be interesting.  

[BlairyFairy]

Rellik San

EmoXPickles_________x

Rellik San

EmoXPickles_________x

Rellik San

How do most people learn, by asking questions, so don't get all high and mighty. And as it happens, to someone from an outside perspective, goth can be scary, think about it logically for a second. For all you know, maybe thats what the 'goths' where she lives are like, you don't know. You have every reason to apologise.

She wasn't asking a question, she was stating her answer to the thread. The "goths" where she live then, are most likely what the real ones, call posers, because the last thing they're out to do is scare someone.
By stating that they are scary, she is contributing to the stereotype and letting it grow, making goths seem more horrible.
I do not have to apologize.
You can't make me, neither can anyone.
Delete me from the group.
Ban me.
Do as you please, but I will never apologize for saying what I did.
There is a truth in what I have said, and apologizing would take it all back and make me less of a person, in a sense.
It's what I believe in.

I'm not asking you to apologise for your opinion, I'm asking you to apologise for over reacting and yelling at someone who doesn't know better, if apologising for that makes you less of a person, then I guess I barely qualify as human in your eyes, I won't ban or warn you this time, just watch how you react and calm down, or else things will start getting official. That is not up for debate, thats a fact.

I still don't think I should apologize for that.
She didn't know better.
But she shouldn't have said something if she didn't.

Well then, what does goth stand for, you said you supported what it stood for, so tell us what that is. I have an entire goth guild and an original goth for reference, so this should be interesting.

I really hate having to explain myself.
I know what it is, I'm not trying to get out of this or anything.
But I just don't want to deal with it.
I've posted so many times, over and over, stating what I know about it and trying to defend the actual meaning[Yes, I am aware it is interpreted differently among different people, but the basis of it all is the same].
And truthfully, I have no more energy to state anymore.  

[Rellik San]

EmoXPickles_________x

Rellik San

EmoXPickles_________x

Rellik San

EmoXPickles_________x

Rellik San

How do most people learn, by asking questions, so don't get all high and mighty. And as it happens, to someone from an outside perspective, goth can be scary, think about it logically for a second. For all you know, maybe thats what the 'goths' where she lives are like, you don't know. You have every reason to apologise.

She wasn't asking a question, she was stating her answer to the thread. The "goths" where she live then, are most likely what the real ones, call posers, because the last thing they're out to do is scare someone.
By stating that they are scary, she is contributing to the stereotype and letting it grow, making goths seem more horrible.
I do not have to apologize.
You can't make me, neither can anyone.
Delete me from the group.
Ban me.
Do as you please, but I will never apologize for saying what I did.
There is a truth in what I have said, and apologizing would take it all back and make me less of a person, in a sense.
It's what I believe in.

I'm not asking you to apologise for your opinion, I'm asking you to apologise for over reacting and yelling at someone who doesn't know better, if apologising for that makes you less of a person, then I guess I barely qualify as human in your eyes, I won't ban or warn you this time, just watch how you react and calm down, or else things will start getting official. That is not up for debate, thats a fact.

I still don't think I should apologize for that.
She didn't know better.
But she shouldn't have said something if she didn't.

Well then, what does goth stand for, you said you supported what it stood for, so tell us what that is. I have an entire goth guild and an original goth for reference, so this should be interesting.

I really hate having to explain myself.
I know what it is, I'm not trying to get out of this or anything.
But I just don't want to deal with it.
I've posted so many times, over and over, stating what I know about it and trying to defend the actual meaning[Yes, I am aware it is interpreted differently among different people, but the basis of it all is the same].
And truthfully, I have no more energy to state anymore.

So you really don't know, and are afraid of being made a hypocrite in other words.  

[BlairyFairy]

Rellik San

EmoXPickles_________x

Rellik San

EmoXPickles_________x

Rellik San

I'm not asking you to apologise for your opinion, I'm asking you to apologise for over reacting and yelling at someone who doesn't know better, if apologising for that makes you less of a person, then I guess I barely qualify as human in your eyes, I won't ban or warn you this time, just watch how you react and calm down, or else things will start getting official. That is not up for debate, thats a fact.

I still don't think I should apologize for that.
She didn't know better.
But she shouldn't have said something if she didn't.

Well then, what does goth stand for, you said you supported what it stood for, so tell us what that is. I have an entire goth guild and an original goth for reference, so this should be interesting.

I really hate having to explain myself.
I know what it is, I'm not trying to get out of this or anything.
But I just don't want to deal with it.
I've posted so many times, over and over, stating what I know about it and trying to defend the actual meaning[Yes, I am aware it is interpreted differently among different people, but the basis of it all is the same].
And truthfully, I have no more energy to state anymore.

So you really don't know, and are afraid of being made a hypocrite in other words.

No.
I just said that I'm not trying to get out of this.
I'm just tired of repeating myself.
I did not say it in this guild.
But I have said many times elsewhere.  

[Rellik San]

EmoXPickles_________x

Rellik San

EmoXPickles_________x

Rellik San

EmoXPickles_________x

Rellik San

I'm not asking you to apologise for your opinion, I'm asking you to apologise for over reacting and yelling at someone who doesn't know better, if apologising for that makes you less of a person, then I guess I barely qualify as human in your eyes, I won't ban or warn you this time, just watch how you react and calm down, or else things will start getting official. That is not up for debate, thats a fact.

I still don't think I should apologize for that.
She didn't know better.
But she shouldn't have said something if she didn't.

Well then, what does goth stand for, you said you supported what it stood for, so tell us what that is. I have an entire goth guild and an original goth for reference, so this should be interesting.

I really hate having to explain myself.
I know what it is, I'm not trying to get out of this or anything.
But I just don't want to deal with it.
I've posted so many times, over and over, stating what I know about it and trying to defend the actual meaning[Yes, I am aware it is interpreted differently among different people, but the basis of it all is the same].
And truthfully, I have no more energy to state anymore.

So you really don't know, and are afraid of being made a hypocrite in other words.

No.
I just said that I'm not trying to get out of this.
I'm just tired of repeating myself.
I did not say it in this guild.
But I have said many times elsewhere.

Then say it in this guild, to find one of the other explanations and to copy and paste it isn't that hard a job.  

[BlairyFairy]

Rellik San

EmoXPickles_________x

Rellik San

EmoXPickles_________x

Rellik San

Well then, what does goth stand for, you said you supported what it stood for, so tell us what that is. I have an entire goth guild and an original goth for reference, so this should be interesting.

I really hate having to explain myself.
I know what it is, I'm not trying to get out of this or anything.
But I just don't want to deal with it.
I've posted so many times, over and over, stating what I know about it and trying to defend the actual meaning[Yes, I am aware it is interpreted differently among different people, but the basis of it all is the same].
And truthfully, I have no more energy to state anymore.

So you really don't know, and are afraid of being made a hypocrite in other words.

No.
I just said that I'm not trying to get out of this.
I'm just tired of repeating myself.
I did not say it in this guild.
But I have said many times elsewhere.

Then say it in this guild, to find one of the other explanations and to copy and paste it isn't that hard a job.

I can't find it.
It's past the last page.
I know that.
One day, I'll say it in this guild.
But just not today.
I don't have the energy to.
And, I think I actually did the other day in this guild.
I was looking for it, but I couldn't find it.
It was, of course, only a small part of what I know.  

[-Isel-]

I am so ******** stealing your credibility by beating you to the punch.

Veruniel

Attempts to define 'goth' have been flying thick and fast lately, and I'd like to remind people that there is no one right answer. There is no one definition of the word goth. It's been used many times, to mean many different things.

The goths were a northern tribe that invaded Rome (and also Spain).

'Gothic' was a term applied to late medieval architecture by bigoted and very ill-informed 'Enlightenment'-era historians, who thought these buildings were created far earlier than they actually were, and also poked fun at them for being 'barbarous.'

The first use of the word to define a subculture was in the late 1700's, when antiquarians started actually appreciating medieval arichitecture. Back then, a 'goth' was someone who enjoyed dark, romantic literature, had a fondness for ruins, and maybe built their house in gothic style.

Toward the Victorian era, architects got more interested in medieval-styled art that looked authentic, not fantastical. A 'goth' became someone with a scholarly interest in the era.

Many sources (Wikipedia included) claim that the modern goth subculture has its roots in punk. Personally, I think those roots go back far earlier than modern music genres. Earlier gothic movements had a huge influence on things like the modern horror genre, the ideas expressed in a lot of goth music, and even the wearing of black. Without those early gothic novels, the subculture as we know it would not exist.

So yes, it's valid to say that a goth is a person who loves goth music. But it's equally valid to apply the term to someone with a generally 'dark' aesthetic, or someone who adores medieval art.

 

[Rellik San]

Isel

I am so ******** stealing your credibility by beating you to the punch.

Veruniel

Attempts to define 'goth' have been flying thick and fast lately, and I'd like to remind people that there is no one right answer. There is no one definition of the word goth. It's been used many times, to mean many different things.

The goths were a northern tribe that invaded Rome (and also Spain).

'Gothic' was a term applied to late medieval architecture by bigoted and very ill-informed 'Enlightenment'-era historians, who thought these buildings were created far earlier than they actually were, and also poked fun at them for being 'barbarous.'

The first use of the word to define a subculture was in the late 1700's, when antiquarians started actually appreciating medieval arichitecture. Back then, a 'goth' was someone who enjoyed dark, romantic literature, had a fondness for ruins, and maybe built their house in gothic style.

Toward the Victorian era, architects got more interested in medieval-styled art that looked authentic, not fantastical. A 'goth' became someone with a scholarly interest in the era.

Many sources (Wikipedia included) claim that the modern goth subculture has its roots in punk. Personally, I think those roots go back far earlier than modern music genres. Earlier gothic movements had a huge influence on things like the modern horror genre, the ideas expressed in a lot of goth music, and even the wearing of black. Without those early gothic novels, the subculture as we know it would not exist.

So yes, it's valid to say that a goth is a person who loves goth music. But it's equally valid to apply the term to someone with a generally 'dark' aesthetic, or someone who adores medieval art.

Awwwww I wanted to see Emo Pickle make a tit of themself.  

[-Isel-]

Rellik San

Isel

I am so ******** stealing your credibility by beating you to the punch.

Veruniel

Attempts to define 'goth' have been flying thick and fast lately, and I'd like to remind people that there is no one right answer. There is no one definition of the word goth. It's been used many times, to mean many different things.

The goths were a northern tribe that invaded Rome (and also Spain).

'Gothic' was a term applied to late medieval architecture by bigoted and very ill-informed 'Enlightenment'-era historians, who thought these buildings were created far earlier than they actually were, and also poked fun at them for being 'barbarous.'

The first use of the word to define a subculture was in the late 1700's, when antiquarians started actually appreciating medieval arichitecture. Back then, a 'goth' was someone who enjoyed dark, romantic literature, had a fondness for ruins, and maybe built their house in gothic style.

Toward the Victorian era, architects got more interested in medieval-styled art that looked authentic, not fantastical. A 'goth' became someone with a scholarly interest in the era.

Many sources (Wikipedia included) claim that the modern goth subculture has its roots in punk. Personally, I think those roots go back far earlier than modern music genres. Earlier gothic movements had a huge influence on things like the modern horror genre, the ideas expressed in a lot of goth music, and even the wearing of black. Without those early gothic novels, the subculture as we know it would not exist.

So yes, it's valid to say that a goth is a person who loves goth music. But it's equally valid to apply the term to someone with a generally 'dark' aesthetic, or someone who adores medieval art.

Awwwww I wanted to see Emo Pickle make a tit of themself.

I had to bust some chops. She was like, "hey, ban me, i don't care" and I wanted to. I really did.

But I channeled that into my desire to bust chops.  

[Rellik San]

Isel

Rellik San

Isel

I am so ******** stealing your credibility by beating you to the punch.

Veruniel

Attempts to define 'goth' have been flying thick and fast lately, and I'd like to remind people that there is no one right answer. There is no one definition of the word goth. It's been used many times, to mean many different things.

The goths were a northern tribe that invaded Rome (and also Spain).

'Gothic' was a term applied to late medieval architecture by bigoted and very ill-informed 'Enlightenment'-era historians, who thought these buildings were created far earlier than they actually were, and also poked fun at them for being 'barbarous.'

The first use of the word to define a subculture was in the late 1700's, when antiquarians started actually appreciating medieval arichitecture. Back then, a 'goth' was someone who enjoyed dark, romantic literature, had a fondness for ruins, and maybe built their house in gothic style.

Toward the Victorian era, architects got more interested in medieval-styled art that looked authentic, not fantastical. A 'goth' became someone with a scholarly interest in the era.

Many sources (Wikipedia included) claim that the modern goth subculture has its roots in punk. Personally, I think those roots go back far earlier than modern music genres. Earlier gothic movements had a huge influence on things like the modern horror genre, the ideas expressed in a lot of goth music, and even the wearing of black. Without those early gothic novels, the subculture as we know it would not exist.

So yes, it's valid to say that a goth is a person who loves goth music. But it's equally valid to apply the term to someone with a generally 'dark' aesthetic, or someone who adores medieval art.

Awwwww I wanted to see Emo Pickle make a tit of themself.

I had to bust some chops. She was like, "hey, ban me, i don't care" and I wanted to. I really did.

But I channeled that into my desire to bust chops.

She's been warned for bullying Plenair1. 2 more and she's out.