ATG 3/3/14 - <3

[xx I met my fate xx]

With any luck we'll be on our way in that direction soon. We've got a great crew right now and a hugely diverse member base...diverse as it is I know there are things we can all agree on or they wouldn't all be here. Hopefully we can use those points as a standing ground to push forward and be able to support various other actions without seeing so much offense taken over it and so much heel digging over very basic things.

With no way to truly enforce things none of our activities are truly manditory but we need to be seeing at least an 80% participation rate from our guild if we want to get noticed.  

[Javier Cross]

xx I met my fate xx

Sure thing, sounds great. I'll get with the rest of the council and see about PMing the leaders of those groups. We're stronger together than we are divided.

I figured since you made a request in regards to bonus positive kudos, these two groups were the first in mind.

Once we get other groups like them, its hopefully a matter of time before the rest of the majority of the other groups follow suit, correct?

If this is the case, let it be known that I am interested to see the results.  

[RUMBLE KITTEN]

xx I met my fate xx

Binku_Muja-

Really? This is what the guild is now? A thread for people
to whine on and be completely ignored by Gaia? Because so
far, things have only gotten worse and we've done what?
Set up a freaking thread.

I can't help but notice how this guild isn't even attempting
to do anything that would bring the dissatisfaction of the users
to gaia's attention since the previous person in charge quit.

Petitions are not going to do it.
Banner's are not going to do it.
Whinging is not going to do it.

At least the last person who was in charge organized a day where
members would avoid using the site in protest and on that day
Gaia released three different sales in the cash shop in order to lure
people on. (I found out the day after the sign off day)

So I will be quitting the guild. Thank you for your time.

I'm sorry, I didn't see you putting in any ideas when we put up threads asking for them. What is it exactly that you think we should do? Storm the gaia interactive offices and torch the desks? We're a group of people whose only common meeting place is the INTERNET. There's only so much we CAN do.

We boycott cash
We write letters
We start petitions
We manage threads in the SF
We spread the word
We do things PEACEFULLY because sitting there screaming at the top of our lungs accomplishes NOTHING. At least if we come off as responsible, logical adults there's a chance we'll be listened to.

We do our best with what we have. Another day of silence was considered but the crew voted that since so few people ACTUALLY TOOK PART in the last one, it was worthless.

Our way may not be your way but I sure as HELL don't see you attempting to give us any ideas. We can't read your minds and without the input of the users this guild cannot operate.

Plus, it seems that half of our users are offended by LITERALLY EVERYTHING and without alienating them, our hands are tied to really do much.

I agree with Binku's frustration in some ways and I remember the strong leadership and momentum of this guild when Miss Xiva was in charge. I know she had to leave, but there are a lot of us that still remember and miss her because she was the figurehead of this entire thing.

I have to disagree on a few points too because I see the remaining crew working hard to keep things on track and to come up with new ways to listen to all of us. This guild is still evolving and it's still managing to do so in big way. I like this new poll and I like ATG. Miss Xiva laid the groundwork but I think she would be proud to see how this guild continues to thrive and leave its mark on Gaia and the members that continue to stick together through the storm.  

[xx I met my fate xx]

RUMBLE KITTEN

xx I met my fate xx

Binku_Muja-

Really? This is what the guild is now? A thread for people
to whine on and be completely ignored by Gaia? Because so
far, things have only gotten worse and we've done what?
Set up a freaking thread.

I can't help but notice how this guild isn't even attempting
to do anything that would bring the dissatisfaction of the users
to gaia's attention since the previous person in charge quit.

Petitions are not going to do it.
Banner's are not going to do it.
Whinging is not going to do it.

At least the last person who was in charge organized a day where
members would avoid using the site in protest and on that day
Gaia released three different sales in the cash shop in order to lure
people on. (I found out the day after the sign off day)

So I will be quitting the guild. Thank you for your time.

I'm sorry, I didn't see you putting in any ideas when we put up threads asking for them. What is it exactly that you think we should do? Storm the gaia interactive offices and torch the desks? We're a group of people whose only common meeting place is the INTERNET. There's only so much we CAN do.

We boycott cash
We write letters
We start petitions
We manage threads in the SF
We spread the word
We do things PEACEFULLY because sitting there screaming at the top of our lungs accomplishes NOTHING. At least if we come off as responsible, logical adults there's a chance we'll be listened to.

We do our best with what we have. Another day of silence was considered but the crew voted that since so few people ACTUALLY TOOK PART in the last one, it was worthless.

Our way may not be your way but I sure as HELL don't see you attempting to give us any ideas. We can't read your minds and without the input of the users this guild cannot operate.

Plus, it seems that half of our users are offended by LITERALLY EVERYTHING and without alienating them, our hands are tied to really do much.

I agree with Binku's frustration in some ways and I remember the strong leadership and momentum of this guild when Miss Xiva was in charge. I know she had to leave, but there are a lot of us that still remember and miss her because she was the figurehead of this entire thing.

I have to disagree on a few points too because I see the remaining crew working hard to keep things on track and to come up with new ways to listen to all of us. This guild is still evolving and it's still managing to do so in big way. I like this new poll and I like ATG. Miss Xiva laid the groundwork but I think she would be proud to see how this guild continues to thrive and leave its mark on Gaia and the members that continue to stick together through the storm.

I hope she's proud. Xiva is still a dear friend to me and she will always, along with the original founder, be the true leader of this guild in my eyes. I try to keep up with her and let her know what's going on as I can. She's an amazing person and she was an amazing leader. She will always be welcome within our ranks.  

[xx I met my fate xx]

Javier Cross

xx I met my fate xx

Sure thing, sounds great. I'll get with the rest of the council and see about PMing the leaders of those groups. We're stronger together than we are divided.

I figured since you made a request in regards to bonus positive kudos, these two groups were the first in mind.

Once we get other groups like them, its hopefully a matter of time before the rest of the majority of the other groups follow suit, correct?

If this is the case, let it be known that I am interested to see the results.

I agree. All the groups who want change in Gaia need to unite. As far as I've seen we are the largest such group thus far so I believe that merging them all into us would be most prudent. I know that it can cause some chaos to try and align goals where they may not necessarily meet but at the heart of it we all care about the direction in which Gaia is heading and we all want change. That's what matters and I think together we are so much stronger than we are separated. With luck we can rally these groups to our side and be a larger force.

We'll keep everyone posted as things progress in that direction.  

[xx I met my fate xx]

Thank you guys so much for stopping in for this week's ATG! I'm off to bed now but you guys rock! As always if you have any questions not answered here or you just wanna talk, you can PM me any time!  

[GentleBirb]

gaia_spoons I would like some attention to this post that I've created for evidence of the sales and pushes. gaia_star Here gaia_star . I basically wondered, since it felt like a lot of ads lately that I would like to tally up my messages and stuff I find every day I log in. If anyone finds anything I haven't put up starting the 1st of this month please post a comment with a link. I really want to kind of get a figure of the amount of sh*t they are pushing at us down in writing and evidence.

I like how they made a new avatar system to make more sales too. I only gave in 100,000 gold but then stopped when getting any better required cash only. They almost had me, not really. I have sworn off cash use till they fix the economy and get their crap together. As much as recolors seem interesting they've lost their values. Like a simple color layer in Photoshop they suck. I would rather like complete do over recolors. Such as black and red, gold and green, blue and silver etc. Not solid blue, red, yellow. Like the Puppeteer redemption red and blue versions.

I also think that eventually items that were cash be released into a bargain, back again gold shop. So that someone won't be pressured into buying but if they buy cash they get it before everyone else does. Yet everyone has the opportunity to achieve their dream avatar even if they have to wait and the time waiting will allow them the time to earn gold to get said item. I don't know, i'm just pulling all these ideas out of my flipping ears. It's not that hard to come up with solutions and Gaia seems to make it like it's some kind of rocket science bullsh*t.

Idea: Would anyone support me if I made examples? Like of non-existant items and how to recolor properly and how to not? I'm a pixil artist and I do a fair job if I do say so myself.

 

[Javier Cross]

xx I met my fate xx

Javier Cross

xx I met my fate xx

Sure thing, sounds great. I'll get with the rest of the council and see about PMing the leaders of those groups. We're stronger together than we are divided.

I figured since you made a request in regards to bonus positive kudos, these two groups were the first in mind.

Once we get other groups like them, its hopefully a matter of time before the rest of the majority of the other groups follow suit, correct?

If this is the case, let it be known that I am interested to see the results.

I agree. All the groups who want change in Gaia need to unite. As far as I've seen we are the largest such group thus far so I believe that merging them all into us would be most prudent. I know that it can cause some chaos to try and align goals where they may not necessarily meet but at the heart of it we all care about the direction in which Gaia is heading and we all want change. That's what matters and I think together we are so much stronger than we are separated. With luck we can rally these groups to our side and be a larger force.

We'll keep everyone posted as things progress in that direction.

Thank you so much for all the news.
Also I spotted a link that may help address how we are best-suited to go into combat against the threat of time zones as well.

This is the findings of X_of_Pentacles, all positive credit goes to him.

We may need to get the various other groups to address the time zone regards first.  

[xx I met my fate xx]

Javier Cross

xx I met my fate xx

Javier Cross

xx I met my fate xx

Sure thing, sounds great. I'll get with the rest of the council and see about PMing the leaders of those groups. We're stronger together than we are divided.

I figured since you made a request in regards to bonus positive kudos, these two groups were the first in mind.

Once we get other groups like them, its hopefully a matter of time before the rest of the majority of the other groups follow suit, correct?

If this is the case, let it be known that I am interested to see the results.

I agree. All the groups who want change in Gaia need to unite. As far as I've seen we are the largest such group thus far so I believe that merging them all into us would be most prudent. I know that it can cause some chaos to try and align goals where they may not necessarily meet but at the heart of it we all care about the direction in which Gaia is heading and we all want change. That's what matters and I think together we are so much stronger than we are separated. With luck we can rally these groups to our side and be a larger force.

We'll keep everyone posted as things progress in that direction.

Thank you so much for all the news.
Also I spotted a link that may help address how we are best-suited to go into combat against the threat of time zones as well.

This is the findings of X_of_Pentacles, all positive credit goes to him.

We may need to get the various other groups to address the time zone regards first.

I'm not sure I like the term combat on that...Also, I'm not entirely sure what is going on there. That's a roleplaying group as far as I can see, or a fandom group. Either way, it's nothing to do with us that I know of. If I'm wrong please enlighten me.

Also can you please elaborate on the reason that timezones are a threat? The world operates on them, that's just how it works. I know our members are all over the place but that's why we have our ATG last an entire day instead of just one hour. That way people can log on any time they can if they need something.  

[Kangit]

XxRawr_HugsxX

I can't believe the amount of announcements I got while I was gone for a day.. 10! 10 freaking announcements! God.. I honestly hate this now.

...Given how quickly they're showing up, you probably got even more than that. 10 is the maximum number of announcements the "notice bubble" will hold. cat_ninja  

[Pwnder]

0Ul

Is there any chance that we might be able to revive the Revolution Marketplace?

I have to be honest here and say that I don't understand making personal "gold sinks" with items because unless any given user is worth oh, let's say, 50 or 60 BILLION gold, it's not going to make any difference at all. Gaia is releasing gold generators like they're going out of style.

Tossing items into the vend for a price lower than ABP does nothing more than line the pockets of vendors who live their lives online 24-hours a day refreshing the "just added" page and buying up pixels to somehow validate their very existence.

There are some here (myself being one of them) that would still like to TRY and continue earning gold and buying pretty items with gold. My gold is truly earned, and I did not buy it with Gaia Cash. I support this guild and its resolve, but I hate to see items just thrown away or wasted to create some sort of gold sink or something like that that really isn't going to make any kind of difference to Gaia at all.

I would love to be able to pay a fair price that's agreeable to both parties for items for the duration of my time here. Is this a dead issue or is there any possibility for the Revolution MP to see the light of day again?

We don't have to power to open up the R:G marketplace because that responsibility is in the hands of each vendor. At the same time, having a marketplace like this leaves the guild vendors open to sneaky undesirables, which I think happened very quickly in our early days, thus leaving it abandoned.
Its pretty much impossible and pointless to sell anything at the ABP that it was 6 months ago. Users are more likely to take the ABP that it is worth now, because users actually have the gold, and go with that. It would be a sacrifice to sell something going for 500k, when it is going for 5mil now, they wouldn't be able to buy what they wanted from the MP after that then find a reason to try and keep up, which is what everybody seems to want to still do.

As for my "gold sink" endeavor. I fear some may view it as a ploy to just gain gold from what I have, however, that is not the case I've always had only one of each item and my inventory has grown large over the last ten years.

These are the things I have accumulated and "donated" for over the last 10 years I spent here as a member of Gaia. These are the things that Gaia has so blatantly whored out or rendered whatever time and money I spent as "lame" at this point. I say "lame" because they seemingly no longer care how much time, dedication or money one spends here anymore.

At one point I wanted to keep these items as my own token of dedication to the site that I was once so proud of. But since they do not consider any amount of money or time I've spent here worth a damn, or anyone elses for that matter, I have finally decided to part ways with these materialistic things and try to make them pay back the community with whatever lame attempts I can manage. Most people would not even consider selling their coveted items off and dress their avi in trash and be fine with it. Normally if they do, they are leaving for good, letting Gaia win that round. I will not.

If the only way that I can personally make gold vanish from the site is by selling off my once loved crap then I will do it, besides that, if this site is ultimately heading for a 404, so do my items and gold. I've literally got nothing to lose except my love, time and money to this site, I've already accepted my monetary loss. I suppose it is more of a statement than anything else at this point and may seem a bit far fetched to some, but each one of us has our own way of 'trying to make a statement to Gaia'. This was not something thought up by any crew members, this is my own personal response. Maybe if there were 100 or 1000 people doing this it might make a difference in the actual problem, you are right. But this is the way I have decided to go out, and that is taking gold with me emotion_donotwant

I have gifted or donated many many things to people inside and outside this guild and I will continue to do so as I liquidate my massive inventory. I also understand that many will have different perspectives on my "gold sink" quest and I more than welcome someone to change mine so that I might find ways of doing something with more impact.  

[Hexamoth]

Quadropopilous

Happy birthday! >u< Hope you have a good one. :3

Also, yes, gaia is now a pay-to-look-fancy site. xD Hahaha... But I know what you mean, alot of people are leaving because of it and since gaia is a dress-up site it is an important part of it... So making that something you have to pay for is kinda disappointing. Especially since it didn't use to be that way. But I think it's mostly old users who would leave because of that, because new users won't even know it ever was different right? So yes, they might leave too because they can't get any items they want, but I think they learn fast that's how it is here. o3o Sorry if that made no sense.  

[Tanooki John]

Gaia really broke the 9 announcement record!? This is getting insane. They must be desperate to make money out of us badly then.