But what if you can't believe?

[Priestley]

Galad Damodred

Priestley

Galad Damodred

Priestley

Galad Damodred

My old debating instructor would just looooove you. rofl

Why? sweatdrop

Priestley

I'm just new to arguing my points and looking to exercise my skills.

She'd love to get her claws into you. Shape you into a weapon that would bring her debating team glory and renown.

That's great. Do you think she would would agree to my accepting her tutelage and then politely refusing to debate for her?

I don't know, no one's been able to refuse her yet. She can gentle people into doing anything, and then bully them into being good at it.

Oh, as a rule, bullying makes me more stubborn, not less. She wouldn't be able to bully me into debating for her and I'd politely refuse if she tried a gentle method.  

[Priestley]

zz1000zz

The first thing to do is make sure you are not looking at Objectivism, a philosophy commonly known as philosophical realism.

Objective can be thought of simply as, not dependent upon anyone's perception (usually referred to as 'mind-independent'). *SNIP*

Okay, that's awesome. Thank you for explaining it in simpler terms. 3nodding  

[zz1000zz]

Discussing both math and philosophy at the same time is a good way to get oneself hurt. Don't tell anyone I did it.  

[Priestley]

zz1000zz

Discussing both math and philosophy at the same time is a good way to get oneself hurt. Don't tell anyone I did it.

It hurts just thinking about it.

To get back on topic (this is directed at everyone), you'd be surprised at how much you believe to be true (not just about God but in general) without trying. You have to be clear whether not believing is a result of not having the capacity to believe, a result of approaching things with preconceptions of those things or actually believing the contrary to be 'truer'.  

[Knatalie9]

Priestley

zz1000zz

Discussing both math and philosophy at the same time is a good way to get oneself hurt. Don't tell anyone I did it.

It hurts just thinking about it.

To get back on topic (this is directed at everyone), you'd be surprised at how much you believe to be true (not just about God but in general) without trying. You have to be clear whether not believing is a result of not having the capacity to believe, a result of approaching things with preconceptions of those things or actually believing the contrary to be 'truer'.

I vote... Read Mere Christianity by C.S Lewis! smile

And I agree with Priestly. The truth of God is already written on our hearts, we don't need to try to believe, it is already there.  

[Edith Puthie]

Knatalie9

Priestley

zz1000zz

Discussing both math and philosophy at the same time is a good way to get oneself hurt. Don't tell anyone I did it.

It hurts just thinking about it.

To get back on topic (this is directed at everyone), you'd be surprised at how much you believe to be true (not just about God but in general) without trying. You have to be clear whether not believing is a result of not having the capacity to believe, a result of approaching things with preconceptions of those things or actually believing the contrary to be 'truer'.

I vote... Read Mere Christianity by C.S Lewis! smile

And I agree with Priestly. The truth of God is already written on our hearts, we don't need to try to believe, it is already there.

Oh I love the way you said that! I have never heard anyone say that the Truth of God is already written on our hearts. Hmm. I really like that.  

[Priestley]

Knatalie9

Priestley

zz1000zz

Discussing both math and philosophy at the same time is a good way to get oneself hurt. Don't tell anyone I did it.

It hurts just thinking about it.

To get back on topic (this is directed at everyone), you'd be surprised at how much you believe to be true (not just about God but in general) without trying. You have to be clear whether not believing is a result of not having the capacity to believe, a result of approaching things with preconceptions of those things or actually believing the contrary to be 'truer'.

I vote... Read Mere Christianity by C.S Lewis! smile

And I agree with Priestly. The truth of God is already written on our hearts, we don't need to try to believe, it is already there.

Hey, that's not what I was saying. surprised  

[Knatalie9]

Priestley

Knatalie9

Priestley

zz1000zz

Discussing both math and philosophy at the same time is a good way to get oneself hurt. Don't tell anyone I did it.

It hurts just thinking about it.

To get back on topic (this is directed at everyone), you'd be surprised at how much you believe to be true (not just about God but in general) without trying. You have to be clear whether not believing is a result of not having the capacity to believe, a result of approaching things with preconceptions of those things or actually believing the contrary to be 'truer'.

I vote... Read Mere Christianity by C.S Lewis! smile

And I agree with Priestly. The truth of God is already written on our hearts, we don't need to try to believe, it is already there.

Hey, that's not what I was saying. surprised

do you disagree?  

[Priestley]

Knatalie9

Priestley

Knatalie9

Priestley

zz1000zz

Discussing both math and philosophy at the same time is a good way to get oneself hurt. Don't tell anyone I did it.

It hurts just thinking about it.

To get back on topic (this is directed at everyone), you'd be surprised at how much you believe to be true (not just about God but in general) without trying. You have to be clear whether not believing is a result of not having the capacity to believe, a result of approaching things with preconceptions of those things or actually believing the contrary to be 'truer'.

I vote... Read Mere Christianity by C.S Lewis! smile

And I agree with Priestly. The truth of God is already written on our hearts, we don't need to try to believe, it is already there.

Hey, that's not what I was saying. surprised

do you disagree?

With you putting words in my mouth? Yes. Your paraphrase is not correct.  

[Knatalie9]

Priestley

Knatalie9

Priestley

Knatalie9

Priestley

zz1000zz

Discussing both math and philosophy at the same time is a good way to get oneself hurt. Don't tell anyone I did it.

It hurts just thinking about it.

To get back on topic (this is directed at everyone), you'd be surprised at how much you believe to be true (not just about God but in general) without trying. You have to be clear whether not believing is a result of not having the capacity to believe, a result of approaching things with preconceptions of those things or actually believing the contrary to be 'truer'.

I vote... Read Mere Christianity by C.S Lewis! smile

And I agree with Priestly. The truth of God is already written on our hearts, we don't need to try to believe, it is already there.

Hey, that's not what I was saying. surprised

do you disagree?

With you putting words in my mouth? Yes. Your paraphrase is not correct.

I am sorry for putting words in your mouth, I really didn't mean it like that. What I meant was to add to what you said. I am sorry. sad  

[Priestley]

Knatalie9

Priestley

Knatalie9

Priestley

Knatalie9

I vote... Read Mere Christianity by C.S Lewis! smile

And I agree with Priestly. The truth of God is already written on our hearts, we don't need to try to believe, it is already there.

Hey, that's not what I was saying. surprised

do you disagree?

With you putting words in my mouth? Yes. Your paraphrase is not correct.

I am sorry for putting words in your mouth, I really didn't mean it like that. What I meant was to add to what you said. I am sorry. sad

No, it's okay, but it didn't really add to what I was saying. Many people approach the idea of God with preconceptions that aren't necessarily true.  

[Okay Bad Example]

Knatalie9

Priestley

zz1000zz

Discussing both math and philosophy at the same time is a good way to get oneself hurt. Don't tell anyone I did it.

It hurts just thinking about it.

To get back on topic (this is directed at everyone), you'd be surprised at how much you believe to be true (not just about God but in general) without trying. You have to be clear whether not believing is a result of not having the capacity to believe, a result of approaching things with preconceptions of those things or actually believing the contrary to be 'truer'.

I vote... Read Mere Christianity by C.S Lewis! smile

And I agree with Priestly. The truth of God is already written on our hearts, we don't need to try to believe, it is already there.

Mere Christianity, yes, read it.

I have periods of doubt too. I was all over the metaphysical map before I asked Jesus to be my legal representative at the Final Judgment, (He works pro bono), but I have always believed in God. It wasn't until after I became a Christian that I had any doubts about His existence at all! Spiritual warfare, anyone?  

[fromthatshow]

You are not damned to hell!
I believe that all paths do lead back to God.
You may no believe because you may not see. You may not hear.
But your return to Him is inevitable. Don't worry about it so much. In time, you'll know! heart  

[Priestley]

fromthatshow

You are not damned to hell!

It ultimately comes down to what's in one's heart as to whether you're destined for destruction or salvation.

fromthatshow

I believe that all paths do lead back to God.

Not according to Jesus.

fromthatshow

You may no believe because you may not see. You may not hear.
But your return to Him is inevitable. Don't worry about it so much. In time, you'll know! heart

Not if a person refuses the offer.  

[viper_353]

fromthatshow

You are not damned to hell!
I believe that all paths do lead back to God.
You may no believe because you may not see. You may not hear.
But your return to Him is inevitable. Don't worry about it so much. In time, you'll know! heart

I don't quite understand what you're saying here. Doesn't it clearly in the bible that if you don't ask Jesus to save you, then we aren't going to go where God made for us to go? And if we're always going to go to heaven no matter what, then what is faith? I don't know. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your statment.