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 Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:59 pm
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Neko_Bast TeaDidikai Other examples would be people who make the Bassat claim that Christmas = Yule. I can understand why people would do that. They celebrate the birth of the Sun/Son .(at least I celebrate the birth of the sun).....lol When you say that, people will think what they think since the two words sound the same. I know that they are not the same holiday but I feel they are very similar.
Yule is light-in-the-darkness, not the rebirth of the sun; Sunna dies at Ragnorak, not yearly. The Wiccan "Yule" has a rebirth of the son who is associated with the sun; perhaps you got them confused? |
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:42 pm
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Neko_Bast I can understand why people would do that. They celebrate the birth of the Sun/Son
The Norse celebrate no such thing for Yule.
Quote: .(at least I celebrate the birth of the sun)
Quote: I know that they are not the same holiday but I feel they are very similar.
Let's see- the birth of an incarnation of a Henothestic mortal-deity who sacrifices himself to build a new code of conduct v. a "s**t! The nasty part of the winter is over, everyone warm up together and drink mead!".
Yeah. No. |
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:36 am
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:38 am
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:23 pm
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Deoridhe Neko_Bast TeaDidikai Other examples would be people who make the Bassat claim that Christmas = Yule. I can understand why people would do that. They celebrate the birth of the Sun/Son .(at least I celebrate the birth of the sun).....lol When you say that, people will think what they think since the two words sound the same. I know that they are not the same holiday but I feel they are very similar. Yule is light-in-the-darkness, not the rebirth of the sun; Sunna dies at Ragnorak, not yearly. The Wiccan "Yule" has a rebirth of the son who is associated with the sun; perhaps you got them confused?
I have allways heard the winter solsitce called Yule. You know ,like Yuletide greetings.... Yule is a title for the Witer Solstice that is used in more then one faith, but they might celebrate them differently. So in yours it might not be the birth/return of the sun, or son, but in mine it is. I said sun to diferenceat it from the birth of jesus (sp?) on christmas.
TeaDidikai Which "they" are you speaking of? The Norse celebrate no such thing for Yule.
I don't know much about the Norse so I'm sorry I assumed.
TeaDidikai Which is why it isn't a correct title for your holiday.
Old habits die hard. I usually call it the Winter solsitce. |
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:11 pm
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Neko_Bast Deoridhe Neko_Bast TeaDidikai Other examples would be people who make the Bassat claim that Christmas = Yule. I can understand why people would do that. They celebrate the birth of the Sun/Son .(at least I celebrate the birth of the sun).....lol When you say that, people will think what they think since the two words sound the same. I know that they are not the same holiday but I feel they are very similar. Yule is light-in-the-darkness, not the rebirth of the sun; Sunna dies at Ragnorak, not yearly. The Wiccan "Yule" has a rebirth of the son who is associated with the sun; perhaps you got them confused? I have allways heard the winter solsitce called Yule. You know ,like Yuletide greetings....
Yes, that would be the Christian misuse of a German term applied to the wrong period of time.
Neko_Bast Yule is a title for the Witer Solstice that is used in more then one faith, but they might celebrate them differently.
Yule is originally a Germanic and Norse religious term which was appropriated,first by the Christians and later by the Wiccans. Neither of those religions observe the original holiday.
Neko_Bast So in yours it might not be the birth/return of the sun, or son, but in mine it is. I said sun to diferenceat it from the birth of jesus (sp?) on christmas.
Yes, you are using the Wiccan meaning of the word, which was appropriated from my religion. Your welcome. |
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:25 pm
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:21 pm
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Neko_Bast I know that they are not the same holiday but I feel they are very similar.
Neko_Bast So in yours it might not be the birth/return of the sun, or son, but in mine it is.
Deoridhe Yule is light-in-the-darkness, not the rebirth of the sun; Sunna dies at Ragnorak, not yearly.
Re-arranged to make the point clear.
The holidays are not similar. Period. You are using the wrong word for your Holiday- unless we need to go into the "I'm a Tree" argument again.
It reminds me of this damn ignorant "G~Wiccan" who said she celebrated "Krystallnacht", the "Night of Crystals" celebrated on Nov. 10th.
She said it was an "ancient G~ Holiday". ~spits~ She earned a pretty crossing for that one.
Quote: I don't know much about the Norse so I'm sorry I assumed.
Not really. Being told you're wrong and why you are wrong is usually a good way to go cold turkey.
Quote: I usually call it the Winter solsitce. |
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:18 pm
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:33 am
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TeaDidikai It reminds me of this damn ignorant "G~Wiccan" who said she celebrated "Krystallnacht", the "Night of Crystals" celebrated on Nov. 10th.
I have, like, eighteen godbilliion ( wink )logical questions which arise from this. That's the problem, though. I'm being logical.
TeaDidikai She said it was an "ancient G~ Holiday". ~spits~ She earned a pretty crossing for that one.
I was half tempted to cross that guy in the pagan shop you brought me into. You know, the one with the Ogham and Runes opposing each other. Then, when he mispronounced the word Ogham, I was really biting down the urge. Then, when he said he intended on being in Dublin for 2016, I figured there was no point. The genus loci, and we have a very malign form known locally as "skangers", will dispose of him for me. |
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:55 am
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:22 am
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:50 am
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reagun ban missmagpie reagun ban The genus loci, and we have a very malign form known locally as "skangers", will dispose of him for me. Ah skangers, the very prominent and protective local city spirits. Usually glimpsed with a heroin syringe on a full moon while running away as fast as you can. And their mating call "schweh" can be heard throughout the city. They truly are an odd city spirit. Though I wouldn't call them protective, as much as belligerent to all outsiders. "You ******** lookin ah me buherd?"
You seen this?
Anyway... *stops derailing thread* |
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:40 am
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reagun ban Deoridhe Yes, you are using the Wiccan meaning of the word, which was appropriated from my religion. Your welcome. Do they pronounce your religion's one correctly? I am sick to ******** death of hearing that sam hane is a valid pronunciation or that Wiccans are entitled to co-opt the name or that they have set up a different holiday with the same name and are allowed to do so....
Not so far as I know; it's not a difficult word to pronounce, though. Yes, I think the Celts/Irish have it worse than us; my religion's stuff just go combined into Christianity.
They do sometimes say Yule is Celtic, though. sweatdrop |
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:03 am
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