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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 6:29 pm
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:25 am
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TeaDidikai Kuroiban It's the nature of all ethics systems to have people that flaunt keystone virtues that they honestly don't have. Kind of sad really. Bullshit. Counter example: Mine.
(raises eyebrow) Well, can't verify your example, but that set aside, he has a point. Often there is some degree of hypocrisy or another whenever someone follows any kind of ethics/honor system. It isn't sad, it's just the way things are.
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:39 pm
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TeaDidikai Kuroiban It's the nature of all ethics systems to have people that flaunt keystone virtues that they honestly don't have. Kind of sad really. Bullshit. Counter example: Mine.
Allow me to clarify.
It's the nature of all ethics systems to have some people that flaunt keystone virtues that they don't have. These people also tend to be the absolute nosiest about said faked virtues. Is that better?
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:51 pm
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:53 pm
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reagun ban Kuroiban Allow me to clarify. It's the nature of all ethics systems to have some people that flaunt keystone virtues that they don't have. These people also tend to be the absolute nosiest about said faked virtues. Is that better? Not really, it's a blanket statement with nothing more than anecdotal evidence. It's not the nature of ethics systems to have some people that do anything. What you're talking about is the nature of people, not the nature of ethics systems.
Point made. THat WAS what I was trying to say; it just didn't come out right.
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:59 pm
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:18 pm
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reagun ban Kuroiban Point made. THat WAS what I was trying to say; it just didn't come out right. I thought as much. You need to be a little pickier about your words. Words are powerful things, the wrong word can make you look like a God, while the right word can make you look like a ******** class="clear">
Understood.
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Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:36 am
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Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:28 pm
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Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 2:31 pm
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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:46 pm
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My moral/ethic system is pretty simplistic... And for the most part they apply solely to me... Though there are a few little by-laws meant for those that interact with me... That they shouldnt need to be aware of as it would be common sense. I have a long, elaborated guideline list type thing from back when I sat down to really contemplate my morals and ethics... But I'm going to give the shoddy version that it all boils down to:
1. Take responsibility for all actions and words. 2. Be courtious (hold doors, offer your place in line every now and then, help people with something when they need it.) 3. Respect your elders, unless they prove they dont deserve that respect. Give respect where it is due. 4. Be forward and honest in all dealings (dont shortchange or rip people off.) 5. Be loyal to friends and family... (But if their in the wrong, put their a** in line. They are responsible for their actions just like everyone else.) 6. Be good to kids. Their safety and well-being comes before everything else. (Despite kids being my #1 fear, I love 'em to death. They just freak me out.)
What I hold others too: Take responsibility for actions and words. At least try to be respectful. Be forward and honest in all dealings (shortchange me and your screwed. Try to con or pass yourself off fraudulently to or around me and I catch it, end of the game.)
And regarding specific interactions: Act up shamelessly in poor character (harass or pick on someone without provocation) I'm gonna smack you and tell you off.
If they strike me in any manner, They've just given me permission to mop the floor with their a**.
If I strike someone else first in any manner, I'd damn well better be ready to accept all possible consequences.
Seriously stab me in the back or betray my trust and they're gone and possibly in for it (friendship terminated.) Very seriously do so and they're definately in for it.
Seriously mess with people I respect or are my buds and they're in for it. Seriously mess with my family or the friends I concider my family and they're just dead. End of story, they ******** up big time.
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Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:55 pm
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Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 11:55 pm
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Deoridhe reagun ban Bart thinks Harry Potter is literature with character development. Harry Potter IS literature with character development. talk2hand TeaDidikai ( Which reminds me, Deo, if they tie me to a rock and hang a snake above me, you get to rescue me, okay? ) Snakes and I are like THAT *crosses fingers* and I always kinda thought Loki got a bum rap. TeaDidikai Allow me to explain. Their concept of being honor and noble boils down to this bizarre sense of �I am a warrior and my justice is law�. The actual hypocrisy aside, I think the idolization of a dead culture and the historical revisionism needed to make the culture of �warriors� in question are pretty, sparkly and noble is asinine. It goes across cultures too. Vikings, Samurai, Arther and his groupies... minus the romantic revisions aren't so impressive, in deed or honor. The time of most growth of honor for the Samurai was during the Tokugawa period, when there was almost no conflict. That being said, some Samurai made quite valuable additions to literature and philosophy, and a study of war and people at war can giv eyou valuable insights into people at their most pure and idealistic and at their most cruel and horrific. It's sort of a snapshot of the best and the worst all at once. I personally view honor as acting in accordance with your most core values.
I got to meet Toshishiro Obata once when he came to my Shinkendo school (back when I attended). For those that don't know who O-Sensei Obata-san is, he's the founder of the American Shinken-do Federation and, oddly enough, Shredder's right-hand man in the first Turtles movie. One of the students asked him about living their lives according to Bushido.
His reponse?
"Why would you want to do that? Bushido is for samurai. There are no more samurai. Live with honor. Act with honor."
When asked what his definition of honor was: "That's up to you, not me. I just teach you how to fight to defend your honorable life."
And this may sound strange, but I kind of go with what "feels" honorable to decide whether or not something is honorable.
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Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:15 am
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Henry Dorsett Case I got to meet Toshishiro Obata once when he came to my Shinkendo school (back when I attended). For those that don't know who O-Sensei Obata-san is, he's the founder of the American Shinken-do Federation and, oddly enough, Shredder's right-hand man in the first Turtles movie. One of the students asked him about living their lives according to Bushido. His reponse? "Why would you want to do that? Bushido is for samurai. There are no more samurai. Live with honor. Act with honor." When asked what his definition of honor was: "That's up to you, not me. I just teach you how to fight to defend your honorable life." And this may sound strange, but I kind of go with what "feels" honorable to decide whether or not something is honorable.
Wait...wait...wait....you mean the "NINJA....VANISH!" guy!? eek
But apparently that was some majorly wasted talent...if the guy can speak so quickly and so elequently about the mater, he really should had some better lines then that.
Thanks for that little tid-bit!
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