Closed Culture/Open Culture Pantheons Which is which?

[TeaDidikai]

RubyLight

The guide I started. There is a note that states that it is a racial slur. If you want me to remove it from the post just say the word. I meant no offense. redface

I'd type it up as "Rroma*"

Then note below that they are historically referred to by the ethnic slur "G~" and be done with it.

Most folks don't get to spend a whole lot of time in the guild before they learn about that. wink

Also- you might want to take some time to explain why a given tradition is closed.  

[RubyLight]

TeaDidikai

RubyLight

The guide I started. There is a note that states that it is a racial slur. If you want me to remove it from the post just say the word. I meant no offense. redface

I'd type it up as "Rroma*"

Then note below that they are historically referred to by the ethnic slur "G~" and be done with it.

Most folks don't get to spend a whole lot of time in the guild before they learn about that. wink

Also- you might want to take some time to explain why a given tradition is closed.

Will do. Take a look and tell me what you think so far. The first description was on the different Abrahamic Faiths, since that is what I grew up with.  

[patch99329]

One thing, you listed YHVH as a faith as opposed to a deity. whee  

[RubyLight]

patch99329

One thing, you listed YHVH as a faith as opposed to a deity. whee

Crap. I changed the headings to Abrahamic. Thanks.  

[Recursive Paradox]

TeaDidikai

RubyLight

The guide I started. There is a note that states that it is a racial slur. If you want me to remove it from the post just say the word. I meant no offense. redface

I'd type it up as "Rroma*"

Then note below that they are historically referred to by the ethnic slur "G~" and be done with it.

There was a human rights site I looked over who didn't do that. They just said Roma and left it that.  

[TeaDidikai]

Recursive Paradox

There was a human rights site I looked over who didn't do that. They just said Roma and left it that.

I'm a fan of that myself.  

[Recursive Paradox]

TeaDidikai

Recursive Paradox

There was a human rights site I looked over who didn't do that. They just said Roma and left it that.

I'm a fan of that myself.

I can't remember which one it was. I was looking through the sites for statistics on hate crime based murders against trans women.

Yeah... my life expectancy isn't so great. It would be worse if I was a black or latino trans women though. x_x  

[RubyLight]

Recursive Paradox

TeaDidikai

Recursive Paradox

There was a human rights site I looked over who didn't do that. They just said Roma and left it that.

I'm a fan of that myself.

I can't remember which one it was. I was looking through the sites for statistics on hate crime based murders against trans women.

Yeah... my life expectancy isn't so great. It would be worse if I was a black or latino trans women though. x_x

Yeah, there are alot of hate groups out there. May I ask are you going guy to girl or girl to guy?  

[Recursive Paradox]

RubyLight

Recursive Paradox

TeaDidikai

Recursive Paradox

There was a human rights site I looked over who didn't do that. They just said Roma and left it that.

I'm a fan of that myself.

I can't remember which one it was. I was looking through the sites for statistics on hate crime based murders against trans women.

Yeah... my life expectancy isn't so great. It would be worse if I was a black or latino trans women though. x_x

Yeah, there are alot of hate groups out there. May I ask are you going guy to girl or girl to guy?

Guy to girl.  

[godhi]

Fiddlers Green

So, I have a friend, he is American, of African and Pacific Islander mix extraction.
He has been to two different Feasts of Ostara with me.
One where we had to rely upon our superior survival and espionage skills to, well, survive. (He is/was an Eagle Scout, I am a field tested Soldier) The other, we got free mead and rabbit.
I've seen both extremes, and, all things considered, it was quite a learning experience.
Although what "ancestral justice" the former would want to extract on my friend I can not even fathom. sweatdrop

Heathen Scandinavians have a long tradition of adopting fellow warriors into a clan, even if they were not Scandinavian by birth. My attitude would be: if the Gods accepted him into the community and the religion, who are we to argue the point?
On the other hand, if the person were not of Scandinavian or Teutonic ancestry and the omens pointed to the fact that the Gods did not want him--and the person STILL wanted to join the community--then I would worry.  

[SpudCannon]

*shuffles in after long, unexplained absence* Just a note regarding the Greek stuff: for the most part, it is open. If you are dealing with stuff involving Demeter, Persephone, Dionysus, Orpheus, etc., then tread carefully. Some of their traditions were part of the mystery religions. These religions were open in a sense--they allowed even slaves and foreigners to join--but you were only allowed to partake in their practices if you were initiated. Needless to say, no one is around to initiate you into these religions anymore. If they are, their credentials are at least questionable. Now, some members of these mystery religions leaked details about their beliefs and rituals. Whether these are now "open" is a touchy subject.  

[TeaDidikai]

godhi

Fiddlers Green

So, I have a friend, he is American, of African and Pacific Islander mix extraction.
He has been to two different Feasts of Ostara with me.
One where we had to rely upon our superior survival and espionage skills to, well, survive. (He is/was an Eagle Scout, I am a field tested Soldier) The other, we got free mead and rabbit.
I've seen both extremes, and, all things considered, it was quite a learning experience.
Although what "ancestral justice" the former would want to extract on my friend I can not even fathom. sweatdrop

Heathen Scandinavians have a long tradition of adopting fellow warriors into a clan, even if they were not Scandinavian by birth. My attitude would be: if the Gods accepted him into the community and the religion, who are we to argue the point?
On the other hand, if the person were not of Scandinavian or Teutonic ancestry and the omens pointed to the fact that the Gods did not want him--and the person STILL wanted to join the community--then I would worry.

That's what I was thinking.

I've even heard it suggested that sometimes they would go out of their way to bring in an outsider (such as a Fin) for different reasons.

My source is questionable though- do you have better ones?  

[patch99329]

SpudCannon

*shuffles in after long, unexplained absence* Just a note regarding the Greek stuff: for the most part, it is open. If you are dealing with stuff involving Demeter, Persephone, Dionysus, Orpheus, etc., then tread carefully. Some of their traditions were part of the mystery religions. These religions were open in a sense--they allowed even slaves and foreigners to join--but you were only allowed to partake in their practices if you were initiated. Needless to say, no one is around to initiate you into these religions anymore. If they are, their credentials are at least questionable. Now, some members of these mystery religions leaked details about their beliefs and rituals. Whether these are now "open" is a touchy subject.

I have a dim-view of the reconstructed mystery cults. The mysteries disappeared along with them pretty much.  

[SpudCannon]

patch99329

I have a dim-view of the reconstructed mystery cults. The mysteries disappeared along with them pretty much.

For the most part, I agree. But ancient poets, playwrights, and philosophers (thinking specifically of Socrates, Aeschylus, and Aristophanes) were occasionally accused of revealing the mysteries in their writings. I certainly don't think there is enough info out there for someone to accurately reconstruct the mystery cults, but there is still some information out there involving their beliefs and practices (out of context, of course). I personally feel that, because initiation is no longer an option and the beliefs/practices have lost their context, they should be left alone.

I guess a better way to put it is that Greek public religion is an open tradition, but attempting to recreate the mystery religions is both impossible and inconsiderate. A lot of texts out there will tell you about Greek rituals without telling you first whether they originated in the mystery religions or the public religion. Recreating/attempting to recreate those observances that originate in the mysteries is probably not the most responsible thing in the world.