There is way to much I want to quote and reply to! blaugh In order:
Demoness_Tsunami
ACCESS DENIED:OCCULT
Most people don't even know that occult simply means 'hidden' and occult practices are knowledge or rituals that are done in secret, most people have come to think occult synonymous with evil, or 'dark arts' or 'devil worship'.
Most people don't even know that occult simply means 'hidden' and occult practices are knowledge or rituals that are done in secret, most people have come to think occult synonymous with evil, or 'dark arts' or 'devil worship'.
Have you all considered that they are simply trying to make sure you understand the definition of the word "occult"? After all, isn't everything labeled "occult" hidden from you? xd
Nyed
Its not to ban the access to the religion, its to avoid Contraversy
dont blame the man for it, blaim the bible thumper who complains about everything else and evently cause everything to be PC and blocked.
Hell im not even alloud to get onto vampirefreaks.com becuse of the Alternative communty might be too "diffrent"
dont blame the man for it, blaim the bible thumper who complains about everything else and evently cause everything to be PC and blocked.
Hell im not even alloud to get onto vampirefreaks.com becuse of the Alternative communty might be too "diffrent"
For the Record, Bible-thumpers are The Man, and have been since Puritan times. But seriously, "freak" is another one of these definition words! What is a freak? Something different/unusual and generally counter-society. Are not vampires known to suck blood and/or energy? Is this not counter the health of other individuals who make up society? Of course even the simple interaction of gathering information on vampire freaks is a Controversy! Another definition word indicating conflict within a society, in this instance caused by inviting freaks in, the mere knowledge of whom causes uneasiness.
zz1000zz
In high school this is usually the least of the problems. Teachers are often blatantly biased against "goths" and other people outside the "norm." Often times, teachers or schools break the law in their discrimination, but in modern times there is little chance of it changing.
People are idiots, and nothing can change it.
People are idiots, and nothing can change it.
I call BS. Many people are idiots, but education really does work, even when a lot of the educators are themselves idiotic. Do doctors base their treatments on the four Humors? Are you beaten with a switch, cane, or ruler when you answer a math question wrong or fall asleep in class? Do you honestly believe that 1) there is a man in the moon, 2) there is a rabbit rolling dough in the moon, or 3) that the moon is made of green cheese? Do your parents ban your music? I mean, seriously, do they make you part your hair on the side and slicked back (possibly in a bun), wear starched and ironed collared shirts or blouses with suit pants or a floor-length skirt with simple, unornamented, patent leather shoes, and listen to classical music or simple pre-civil rights white boy tunes? Do they only let you eat white bread? Do your teachers seat boys on one side of the room and girls on another, or separate classes entirely by gender?
Are they or are they not reconsidering the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy of 1993 because surveys show that people are now more accepting of bi- and homosexuals than they were 15 years ago?
Individuals may cause you and yours problems, but they are not everyone. And even they can change.
Scul
america that is illegal to ban those sites for it is an act of hate because of the all religion acceptance law...
Nope, totally untrue. Those laws keep the U.S. government from doing something silly, like France did, and making laws against putting anything you darn well please on the internet.
And before anyone thinks it, yes, I know they crack down on people for stuff like child porn, but that's because they were stupid enough to advertise breakage of the child protection laws. Those same child protection laws are why you have to have parent permission to access the internet under the age of 13 and are not allowed on certain sites until age 18. They have nothing to do with schools blocking sites, excepting porn and such because they figure the only ones using the computers aren't allowed anyway so why not, however, it was the same reasoning that led to the educational policies of the whole country.
Each school system determines the majority of policies within it, as long as they also follow state policies (core curriculum) and federal policies (Title IV). Policy #1 since the beginning of time: Teach your kids what you want them to learn. Every parent holds to different personal standards, but most want better for their kids than they had themselves, if they don't want the exact same thing. This is why you're not allowed to cuss, disrespect, or show up naked--even if it could all suddenly change in the near future, your parents know that these things will not let you succeed in life because they are against established social norms. Even in the Middle East, Jews and Christians are able to get somewhere in life because they hold recognized religions. It's all the same God, in every language, even if they and the Muslims all disagree what He's like or what He wants from/for humans. Now try going there and explaining that Satan is actually a Naturalist and that your spouse worships a Goddess, naked, while alternately having sex with you and lighting suggestively-shaped candles. Or whatever your God-alternate situation might be. I'd like to watch that scene live on camera from no less than 500 miles away and underneath a cement bomb shelter well stocked enough to last me and all my wingmen the 30-some years it'll take for the radiation to disperse.
Provided the blast is that clean. Arabs aren't known for that.
Kitsoru
not true- schools are exceptions to many laws, including freedom of speech in some ways
As a side, the military is a lot like schools that way. If you're planning to get into the 'real world' through the military, think again.
.+Melanthios+.
Though it is a bit odd that it didn't block satanism or facism.....
Odd not to block Satanism, but facism? How else are you going to understand 70's references to "blue facist pigs"? wink No, seriously, it's a vocab word in your social studies book; they aren't allowed to block it.
Macabre_Cognitation
Wikipedia is being blocked by my school because of a lawsuit against it or something like that.
I'm not sure I understand your name... confused Huh. Anyway.
Nope, no lawsuit. Wikipedia is considered an irreliable resource because anyone can write an article, unlike the encyclopedia or dictionary (wherein all articles are provided by college-accredited sources and researchers), even though occasionally it is more up to date and covers topics not considered serious enough for academic study. Such as comics--which led to a very frustrating senior year in high school--but that's a story for another time.
Dragon of Doubt
people fear what they do not understand. That leads people to get angry at nothing, sue the school, get good sites banned. That's just what happens.
Or they just act out of fear. That whole "fear leads to anger" thing isn't quite true. Usually it just gets skipped entirely in favor of acting immediately to neutralize the fear.
Dr_Lecter1988
But many christian websites was not (blocked), buddhism was, judaism wasn't blocked though. it's because th school is in a christian based society, and the veiw anything remotely related to paganism as the work of hte devil and will corrup their children, technicaly they're trying to protect the kids, i respect that, but it shouldn't be done in such a way.
Agreed. The best way I can think of to deal with it all is to have a religion/philosphy class in schools. However, that goes, not against the letter of the law (as I know it, which may not cover all applicable Amendments), but against precedent. Preceeding court rulings have established that religious tolerance means not that all are accepted and recognized, but that all are equally ignored. In the current legal setting, to acknowledge a religion would be to endorse it, which simply cannot do. It could instead recognize all religions in schools, but that would lead to all sorts of nightmares in all quarters, enough to write a book about, and I won't do that here because I'm already writing so much. Just trust me that it will be many years down the road before that could happen.
Soriana Leo
I understand where your coming from, I'm not wiccan but I did study it to understand my friends better and where they were coming from. Its ludacrise to ban something such as a Wiccan site, something as simple as Wikipedia, what a joke. They need to stop being tight asses and face the fact that many people are Wiccan, it might be a different religion but its a religion thats dosen't hurt anyone, so says the Wiccan creed about hurting another and getting back five to ten times the hurt they gave.
Not everyone bothers with that kind of research. Remember, they don't want you looking at it, so maybe they don't want to themselves. People often ban from their children what they believe to be a pollutant to themselves.
Leith
My advice to to realize that it's all bullshit, try not to let it getto you, because once you hit college, the rules completely change.
And once you hit real life, they change even further. Not always in a good direction, but not always in a bad, either. It ends up being somewhere between college and high school in freedom and tolerance, but is, at the same time, completely different from both.
And, again, the military is totally different from all three.
CeciliaPhoenix
I've never really encountered any problems with blocked web sites.........but that's just because when I was I high school, I went to a hippie alternative school where over half the student body was Wicca and the teachers encouraged all of us to be honest to our true selves. In other words, even though they kind of got into trouble with the school district, they put the constitutional rights of the students over what the district thought was right.......
Rare luck. Did you like it?
Lola_Siannodel
You should complain to the school board, or something like that.
You can, by the way. No one ever goes, but once a month or once a quarter or something the school board gets together and holds a public meeting. That's how parent complain and get things changed, usually. Students rarely have a say because none ever go to the meetings.
Jasop_Buttement
The whole concept of censorship for students is ill-conceived and brainless. It just goes further along the lines that high schools are not educational facilities but day cares for the older children (who may be functional adults but we'll just call them children). Anyone knows you don't spend half your time learning at a school to begin with. . .
Ah, but allow them their fantasies... wink
RazorBlade6060
i belive in Christianty and have never believed in Judiasm. if i told them that they would do something along the lines of declare i'm not related, make me live an amish existance, send me to a private jewish boarding school in isreal, and a lot more things. in the US you have the freedom to choose what religion you are and parents and schools are violating that right.
I doubt your parents have a clue how to dress in clasps instead of button and zippers, much less milk a cow or plow a field. They'd probably by scared out of their winks just by the size of the horses! blaugh If that's any consolation.
And I think everyone here should know that, actually, you are a legal OBJECT in that you are all the property of your parents or legal guardian until you turn 18. Until that date, you have no rights whatsoever, including your religion. But for child protection laws, you could seriously be made never to leave the boundaries of your own home--or a box, for that matter--until that date.
zz1000zz
So we should let students watch pornography, learn how to make bombs and learn ritual sacrifices?
ROFL! rofl The only part of that that is illegal is the porn! Plus, a simple middle school science textbook shows you exactly how to make bombs. If you can't afford a nuke, your chemistry section can help, not to mention to Molotovs and such in history class or the DO NOT instructions on household chemicals and cooking supplies. Dude, you can make bombs out of flour!!!
And, although I know no one reads anymore, the U.S. has this law about not banning books, regardless of content... only porn and hentai are blocked from child purchase... neutral Getting the picture here?
DreamerSpirit
For anyone who has a problem with teachers depriving you of the grade to which you are entitiled to due to unjust bias, tell your parents! There is nothing that the school fears more than angry parents... I know this from past experience pretaining to issues that I've had with the school. Never underestimate how much weight a parents word can carry. 3nodding
Ooooo, good advice. This is why your parents all bug you to talk to them about your life, by the way. They are sometimes misguided and prejudgemental of your own choices and what's best for you, but parents are often more openminded and/or willing to help than the punishments they meet out might give you to believe.
Tyshia
It wouldn't even let my on ReligiousTolerance.Org because it had pages on Wicca and Satanism. And then I tried to look up Buddhism and it blocked that too. But all the Christian sites were open.
I referenced that in my paper. My teacher put a frowny face by it, but said it was a good example.
I referenced that in my paper. My teacher put a frowny face by it, but said it was a good example.
Sounds like my Senior Exit Project. I did comics as a medium rather than a genre because my teacher was a jerk about manga-as-reading-material. He'd allowed magazines, but not comics of any kind. I managed to include material about public opinions and misconceptions (aka, his), and it turned out much the same way. I hope you got a better grade than I did.
Gil Askan
In my high-school, ALL religious sites of ANY kind were blocked. All sites for videos, pictures, games, politics, "general interest", and blogs were blocked. Not to mention about another 200 sites individually banned, including Google.
Oddly enough, you could get access to a lot porn sites, which were classified as "News" or "Art".
Oddly enough, you could get access to a lot porn sites, which were classified as "News" or "Art".
DR49ON
this is simply something that isnt discussed, and yet we're supposed to be taught about christianity, islam, and judaism?
They can't not teach you about J, C, and I, because they're too wrapped up in world history. Wicca has never caused a war. It's too young a religion, regardless of whatever faux histories you may have heard. It was, what, created some 60 years ago by an English guy or something? It may have roots in ancient paganism, but recorded history has effectively missed one and seen nothing important about the other. Wicca has yet to finish shaping our culture. Check back in a few centuries.
GothKid82
Quite a lot of people simply do not understand the religion and fear it for no good reason. If this was me, I would actually approach the school staff and have an educational discussion with them... but that's just me.
As it happens, I've tried this. You'd be surprised how many teachers/staff/adults in general just do not care to learn or listen about it. There are exceptions to every rule, of course, but the truth is that adults are no less of the idea that they already know everything than teens. whee Kinda funny, actually. cool
At which point I walk away. G'night, folks. Safe weekend to you, wherever you might be or travel in these bright times.
