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 Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:21 am
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Cloud0.0Strife agrab0ekim Cloud0.0Strife agrab0ekim Quote: But those others are not you. Most people remember inanimate objects when they are gone but their not alive(obviously) But see, they are me. A human is not merely flesh, a human is made up of his actions. When you say Hitler, we think Nazi, jew-killing, etc. Not a painter who lived as a gypsy was by his definition a jew and raped by two gay men on a train... No, we think of what he did, not what he was... Inanimate objects are not remembered for long after they leave us; you break a chair, oops, go out and buy a new one... Well I don't know what to say about the first bit but some inanimate objects may be remembered for a long time. Eg. Most stuff in museums. it isnt the image in the museam we study, but the subject, the person, the painter... Mona lisa is or famous because of the concept behind her smile, that is it
Well I really don't know what to argue now so I'm gonna stop trying. But my views are still the same.
meanie butt... i wana argue... |
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:57 pm
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I'm gonna have to say that I agree with agrab0ekim in that only our physical bodies are guaranteed death. After all, death is merely the name we give to the time when a person's body stops functioning and pumping blood throughout the body, among other things. If we accomplish anything noteworthy in our lives, be it positive (Ghandi) or negative (Hitler), we will become immortal. Immortality of the flesh is an impossiblity, although some people may wish to argue that. But immortality of the spirit, of the being that was represented by flesh isn't only possible, it's been achieved countless times by countless individuals with an immense variety of personalities, racial backgrounds, social upbringings... no matter who you are born to be, you can become immortal.
Death is merely an idea. An artist puts a part of his soul into his works, and so long as those works live on, so does he. And artists are not merely painters and sculptors, they are philosophers, military leaders, political leaders, men and women of peace, and many other professions. If you impact the world around you, you will not die. To your friends and family, you will always live on with them and even when they die, you might still live on generations later if you played your cards right. Yeah, you won't have a physical body or be able to create new works of art, but your words will speak to generations, your images will spark the ideas of your descendants and the descendants of others, and your actions will effect the world around you forever.
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 6:34 am
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:51 am
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:40 pm
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Dathu Hellsing89 dementdbitch I believe you live then die, that's it. No after life just death. It's depressing but hey, I have 80 years to life I'm guna live them to the fullest.
grrr... this again... When you die only your flesh dies, but your works live on... So, in a way, you are still alive |
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:21 pm
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agrab0ekim Dathu Hellsing89 dementdbitch I believe you live then die, that's it. No after life just death. It's depressing but hey, I have 80 years to life I'm guna live them to the fullest. grrr... this again... When you die only your flesh dies, but your works live on... So, in a way, you are still alive |
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:38 pm
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Dathu agrab0ekim Dathu Hellsing89 dementdbitch I believe you live then die, that's it. No after life just death. It's depressing but hey, I have 80 years to life I'm guna live them to the fullest. grrr... this again... When you die only your flesh dies, but your works live on... So, in a way, you are still alive
you being an entity is yes... however, death is not preicieved by oirselves (as would be impossable to precieve ones own death) and therefore it isnt what you consider but what those alive consider |
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 6:54 pm
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agrab0ekim Dathu agrab0ekim Dathu Hellsing89 dementdbitch I believe you live then die, that's it. No after life just death. It's depressing but hey, I have 80 years to life I'm guna live them to the fullest. grrr... this again... When you die only your flesh dies, but your works live on... So, in a way, you are still alive you being an entity is yes... however, death is not preicieved by oirselves (as would be impossable to precieve ones own death) and therefore it isnt what you consider but what those alive consider |
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 6:58 pm
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Dathu agrab0ekim Dathu agrab0ekim Dathu I agree, but I don't find it depressing, just the way it is. So go nuts! grrr... this again... When you die only your flesh dies, but your works live on... So, in a way, you are still alive you being an entity is yes... however, death is not preicieved by oirselves (as would be impossable to precieve ones own death) and therefore it isnt what you consider but what those alive consider
ok, very simple... Prove to me that you are alive? You can not, you are merely what i precieve you to be...
Yes, i love abstract thought |
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:09 pm
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agrab0ekim Dathu agrab0ekim Dathu agrab0ekim Dathu I agree, but I don't find it depressing, just the way it is. So go nuts! grrr... this again... When you die only your flesh dies, but your works live on... So, in a way, you are still alive you being an entity is yes... however, death is not preicieved by oirselves (as would be impossable to precieve ones own death) and therefore it isnt what you consider but what those alive consider ok, very simple... Prove to me that you are alive? You can not, you are merely what i precieve you to be... Yes, i love abstract thought
*Sigh.* I am alive because a) I am responding to your question, b) I react to stimulous, c) I am capable of thought, and d) I have a desire to keep living (suicidal tendancies are considered and anomaly. I hope that's good enough for you, cause if it isn't your view of life is very...unusual. |
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:11 pm
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Dathu agrab0ekim Dathu agrab0ekim Dathu Your works? Unless I am still experiencing life, I consider myself dead. you being an entity is yes... however, death is not preicieved by oirselves (as would be impossable to precieve ones own death) and therefore it isnt what you consider but what those alive consider ok, very simple... Prove to me that you are alive? You can not, you are merely what i precieve you to be... Yes, i love abstract thought
actually, my view of life is vry Decartian except i took it in a different direction then he did... One can prove, and only prove to oneself, that they exist by even contemplating said thought... however, one can not prove that anything outside of themselves exists...
I am god damnit (hehe, pun), and you are just my dream |
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:16 pm
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agrab0ekim Dathu agrab0ekim Dathu agrab0ekim Dathu Your works? Unless I am still experiencing life, I consider myself dead. you being an entity is yes... however, death is not preicieved by oirselves (as would be impossable to precieve ones own death) and therefore it isnt what you consider but what those alive consider ok, very simple... Prove to me that you are alive? You can not, you are merely what i precieve you to be... Yes, i love abstract thought actually, my view of life is vry Decartian except i took it in a different direction then he did... One can prove, and only prove to oneself, that they exist by even contemplating said thought... however, one can not prove that anything outside of themselves exists... I am god damnit (hehe, pun), and you are just my dream |
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:19 pm
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Dathu agrab0ekim Dathu agrab0ekim Dathu You like abstract philosophy don't you? I could care less what the living consider. Death is the opposite of life. If my body no longer functions and begins to decay, then I am dead and no longer enjoying life. After that what people percieve isn't going to change anything. Unless you can show me evidance that it does. wink ok, very simple... Prove to me that you are alive? You can not, you are merely what i precieve you to be... Yes, i love abstract thought actually, my view of life is vry Decartian except i took it in a different direction then he did... One can prove, and only prove to oneself, that they exist by even contemplating said thought... however, one can not prove that anything outside of themselves exists... I am god damnit (hehe, pun), and you are just my dream
to you yes... yet, to humanity as a whole you are still alive and mean something.... Bohr is dead, Hisenburg is dead, Szilard is dead... yet they all mean a hell of a lot to humanity |
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:24 pm
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agrab0ekim Dathu agrab0ekim Dathu agrab0ekim Dathu You like abstract philosophy don't you? I could care less what the living consider. Death is the opposite of life. If my body no longer functions and begins to decay, then I am dead and no longer enjoying life. After that what people percieve isn't going to change anything. Unless you can show me evidance that it does. wink ok, very simple... Prove to me that you are alive? You can not, you are merely what i precieve you to be... Yes, i love abstract thought actually, my view of life is vry Decartian except i took it in a different direction then he did... One can prove, and only prove to oneself, that they exist by even contemplating said thought... however, one can not prove that anything outside of themselves exists... I am god damnit (hehe, pun), and you are just my dream to you yes... yet, to humanity as a whole you are still alive and mean something.... Bohr is dead, Hisenburg is dead, Szilard is dead... yet they all mean a hell of a lot to humanity |
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:26 pm
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Dathu agrab0ekim Dathu agrab0ekim Dathu *Sigh.* I am alive because a) I am responding to your question, b) I react to stimulous, c) I am capable of thought, and d) I have a desire to keep living (suicidal tendancies are considered and anomaly. I hope that's good enough for you, cause if it isn't your view of life is very...unusual. actually, my view of life is vry Decartian except i took it in a different direction then he did... One can prove, and only prove to oneself, that they exist by even contemplating said thought... however, one can not prove that anything outside of themselves exists... I am god damnit (hehe, pun), and you are just my dream to you yes... yet, to humanity as a whole you are still alive and mean something.... Bohr is dead, Hisenburg is dead, Szilard is dead... yet they all mean a hell of a lot to humanity
they will not breathe, yes, but they are still alive because there work is used... We are not just our bodies, we are our actions and our ideas,... when our ideas die, then we die |
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