Mentor Yulo-chan [Open]

[MarianasLlama]

Yulo-chan

I hope I'm not making you feel too bad... XD
It's partially my fault for being sensitive to opposition towards my ideas...
My ideas are the same entity as my identity >:
Usually I just don't let it affect me because I don't have to talk to that person ever again, but now I can't run away since this is a mentor/mentee relationship. XD

I'm super-sensitive to tones. Can you try to do a "hmm this is interesting/I'd like to know more about this/There's something that I've been wondering about lately" tone while you're asking questions? XDDDDD

<: I accept your apology hahaha ! and yeah, mentoring is does take some time. XD

Ohhh. Does painter essentials have density/opacity and a soft/fuzzy brush type on brush settings? I would suggest "airbrushing" where the light hits the hand to imitate the effect shone in the photograph. Also, be careful about the concavity of your lines. The lines for the fingers are bending outward, but your left brain is making you assume that the lines for the fingers are bending inward. Try to just see the picture as shapes, values, and lines and not as hands. And careful about those lines--you are exaggerating the degree of the curves. Also, recheck the angles of the lines that you drew. Try not to get discouraged (:
I just gave you this as a challenge, so try your best. We'll review and go over how you do. The activities I give you after this will be easier. <:

I've gotten over it over and over again





Erm..I think it has opacity, but that's probably it. It's a suuuuper watered down version of painter xD

Sorry for being so behind on this, my work schedule was a LOT longer than usual this weekend. I'll finish the hands tonight <3

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[Yulo-chan]

It's okay <: I'll look at it tomorrow then. heart  

[MarianasLlama]

I've gotten over it over and over again



Photobucket hates my computer so I just uploaded it as a scrap

Hurr

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[Yulo-chan]

I don't know if you don't like the grid, or you just didn't think about it, but could you draw underneath the grid next time so that I could have an easier time lining up your painting/sketch over the reference?
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Nothing is severely displaced this time, except for the pinky. You seem to repetitiously assume how joints look and work. For example, your assumption that fingers can only bend once blinded you to the fact that the pinky in the reference bended twice. The result is that the pinky in your painting looks off. My advice/suggestions are the same from when I looked at your WIP.
"Also, be careful about the concavity of your lines. The lines for the fingers are bending outward, but your left brain is making you assume that the lines for the fingers are bending inward. Try to just see the picture as shapes, values, and lines and not as hands. And careful about those lines--you are exaggerating the degree of the curves. Also, recheck the angles of the lines that you drew. Try not to get discouraged (: "
Pay attention to the concavity of your lines, and please paint under the grid when you're doing digital. When you do it in pencil, do not erase your grid early on.
Study it more carefully
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I don't really mind that you seem to have skipped taking your notes on the last one. I strongly suggest that you take notes for the one you just did.
I'll give you your next assignment tomorrow. I hope you have enough time to review my advice/suggestions today. ):

Since this is only your first time attempting to use the grid, you'll only get better! <:  

[Yulo-chan]

Also, I am wondering if it is a bit lonely in here. whee
I think it would be good for you if I took in another mentee. <:
How do you feel about that?  

[MarianasLlama]

Yulo-chan

I don't know if you don't like the grid, or you just didn't think about it, but could you draw underneath the grid next time so that I could have an easier time lining up your painting/sketch over the reference?
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Nothing is severely displaced this time, except for the pinky. You seem to repetitiously assume how joints look and work. For example, your assumption that fingers can only bend once blinded you to the fact that the pinky in the reference bended twice. The result is that the pinky in your painting looks off. My advice/suggestions are the same from when I looked at your WIP.
"Also, be careful about the concavity of your lines. The lines for the fingers are bending outward, but your left brain is making you assume that the lines for the fingers are bending inward. Try to just see the picture as shapes, values, and lines and not as hands. And careful about those lines--you are exaggerating the degree of the curves. Also, recheck the angles of the lines that you drew. Try not to get discouraged (: "
Pay attention to the concavity of your lines, and please paint under the grid when you're doing digital. When you do it in pencil, do not erase your grid early on.
Study it more carefully
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I don't really mind that you seem to have skipped taking your notes on the last one. I strongly suggest that you take notes for the one you just did.
I'll give you your next assignment tomorrow. I hope you have enough time to review my advice/suggestions today. ):

Since this is only your first time attempting to use the grid, you'll only get better! <:

I've gotten over it over and over again

I've gotten over it over and over again





Sorry, D:
My version of corel doesn't have any layer functions, so the only way to have the grid go overtop of my drawing was to have the opacity of the grid set really low, but then there was a white screen over everything because the background to the grid was white D:
So I did use the grid, I just drew overtop of it, and when I was double-checking, I moved the grid overtop just for a minute.

I'll fiddle more with the layers next time to try and find something that works...or I'll do the next one traditionally :S

...Or I'll draw my own grid to go on top...-headdesk- Why didn't I think of that one before? D: I'm sorry, that was, for back of a better word, a huge brainfart on my part. xD

Hm, I'll try to look at it really carefully when I take notes this time. I tried to fix the curves on the lines when you gave me advice on the WIP, I guess it didn't work out too well :p

&Oops, I did take notes on my first one, I just didn't upload it :S
Here it is:



&I have no objections to another mentee, it's all up to you!

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[Yulo-chan]

Ahhh you're such a good mentee XDDDD
You're past my expectations (: heart heart heart

Ahh I see.
For the purposes of research/practicing, I suggest sticking to traditional methods whenever I ask you to copy something using the grid. Or if possible, you should use a different painting program, one with layers and editing functions. <:
Your idea to draw your own grid on top is a good idea at first, but it's still wonky because if you just draw your grid on the top, then somewhere in the process in between, you haven't been using the grid!! ): I'm sorry that I haven't made this clear before, but. The grid's not solely for me to align the two images properly together for you to compare at the end. It's also because in the process of using it, you may find that your past placements were off. The beginning is not the only time that you use it.

Hmmmm.... Well that's okie. <: You're trying.
And you should mention that XD

Good (:

Okie. <: Maybe someday I'll get a second mentee. It's a huge responsibility . . .

So how do you feel? Is there anything you'd like to try out and such? Something you'd like more of? And how do you feel about the assignment I gave you? <:  

[MarianasLlama]

I've gotten over it over and over again



I was still using the grid throughout, I understand what it is used for, I was flipping it back and forth between being on top and underneath. I could still move layers around, just the final image couldn't have hte grid on top because it screwed with teh colors.

Umm, I'm not sure what I want to work on really. I'm pretty open, i've enjoyed what we've been doing so far (:

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[Yulo-chan]

Ohhhh okie then. I obviously don't know what I'm talking about, then. XD
I'll just ask you what's up next time if something goes wrong.

Let's do a fun friday project. (:
This week, we worked on...
referencing, shading, and values. And hands. Lol.
I want you to try dramatic shading--
If you're doing traditional, I suggest that you get an ebony pencil,
along with a normal pencil/lead pencil. The ebony pencil can get you
jet black, an extremely dark value. The others pencils will give you normal
values that you've had so far. Also a good eraser is nice. (:
For digital, use a full value scale and don't be afraid to go super dark <:

Step 1. Search for hand references, or make your own hand reference via
photography and think of interesting concepts(like what are the hands
doing and what is the background like and what kind of hands will they
be?) as you do. <:

Step 2. Copy using a grid(try to make your own grid and make it as
proportional and accurate as possible).

Step 3. After you're done copying it, change it as much as you'd
like, adding your own personal touch to the hands, as long as you don't
change the pose of the hands. Add in props as you see fit, and put in a
background. Abstract backgrounds are A-okay, as long as it's not
random. Shade it with a full range of values. You're allowed to change
the lighting from the original, if you're patient enough to reference off other
images to observe how light will affect the hands. You're allowed to
reference for different types of hands to change your hand's traits in your
drawing.

Step 4. Post ALL and ANY of your references you may have used and your
completed work in the thread. Be prepared to explain how you used each of your references
<:



**No linearts allowed in the final product
**Never post your observational/referenced studies/work in any sort of gallery

Feel free to work at your own pace. If you have any questions, I'll
be here tomorrow. <: Also, if you update on your progress each day,
I'll give you some advice/suggestions/feedback.

P.S. Re-read the tutorials I sent you to reinforce your knowledge <:
Tips for Seeing Values
Shading Principles
Shading Techniques
Tips for Edges  

[MarianasLlama]

Yulo-chan

Ohhhh okie then. I obviously don't know what I'm talking about, then. XD
I'll just ask you what's up next time if something goes wrong.

Let's do a fun friday project. (:
This week, we worked on...
referencing, shading, and values. And hands. Lol.
I want you to try dramatic shading--
If you're doing traditional, I suggest that you get an ebony pencil,
along with a normal pencil/lead pencil. The ebony pencil can get you
jet black, an extremely dark value. The others pencils will give you normal
values that you've had so far. Also a good eraser is nice. (:
For digital, use a full value scale and don't be afraid to go super dark <:

Step 1. Search for hand references, or make your own hand reference via
photography and think of interesting concepts(like what are the hands
doing and what is the background like and what kind of hands will they
be?) as you do. <:

Step 2. Copy using a grid(try to make your own grid and make it as
proportional and accurate as possible).

Step 3. After you're done copying it, change it as much as you'd
like, adding your own personal touch to the hands, as long as you don't
change the pose of the hands. Add in props as you see fit, and put in a
background. Abstract backgrounds are A-okay, as long as it's not
random. Shade it with a full range of values. You're allowed to change
the lighting from the original, if you're patient enough to reference off other
images to observe how light will affect the hands. You're allowed to
reference for different types of hands to change your hand's traits in your
drawing.

Step 4. Post ALL and ANY of your references you may have used and your
completed work in the thread. Be prepared to explain how you used each of your references
<:



**No linearts allowed in the final product
**Never post your observational/referenced studies/work in any sort of gallery

Feel free to work at your own pace. If you have any questions, I'll
be here tomorrow. <: Also, if you update on your progress each day,
I'll give you some advice/suggestions/feedback.

P.S. Re-read the tutorials I sent you to reinforce your knowledge <:
Tips for Seeing Values
Shading Principles
Shading Techniques
Tips for Edges

I've gotten over it over and over again





Alrighty (:


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[MarianasLlama]

I've gotten over it over and over again



I decided what photo I'm using for the hands

And I'm doing this one traditionally.

That's about as far as I've gotten, but I'm working on it today (:

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[Yulo-chan]

Great ! (:
Have ideas for how to use it?  

[MarianasLlama]

I've gotten over it over and over again



A few, a lot of them are kindof weird though xD

What I'm thinking of right now is having the hands like a giant statue, and little kids climbing on them.


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[MarianasLlama]

I've gotten over it over and over again



Changed my mind about the kids climbing on it, they're going to be sticking out of the ocean. I feel like drawing water will be a challenge...o.o;

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[Yulo-chan]

ooh. Don't forget to reference from water then (:

Detailed Informational Study on movements of water:
http://www.dianewrightfineart.com/drawing-water-1.htm
^ I suggest reading this to learn how water "works"

Step by Step Demonstration (:
http://www.drawlikeapro.com/how-to-draw-water-53/
^ Jump into the water here and start drawing water from what you see

TONS of fruitful information and references, ALL ABOUT WATER (:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=285821
^ I suggest clicking on the links and reading all the posts on the page the link brings you to (: