|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
 Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 1:38 am
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 1:42 am
 |
|
|
|
Arivel whapcapn Nebelstern Arivel Nebelstern whapcapn Invictus_88 *laughs*You are powerless to stop it! BWAHAHA!! *Writes something meaningless in visible text* Never, I say! I bless myself in the name of Jesus!Because, Jesus has to be in Everything. He is, after all, the son of the the "god" who created Everything. rolleyes Heh. I've been going to church my whole life. My mum's a very religious person and She says I don't have the option of not going. I hate it... But don't worry, I have no plans of getting you started on the whole farsical nature of religion...
Sorry if I offended anyone...Noo! You must love Jesus! Every day, as soon aas you wake up, you must do the Jesus dance, for every day is a Jesus day. And above all, you must help to sacrifice to Jesus those who make him cry. *hates jesus* Heh, What is the Jesus dance? Would you like to demonstrate? And also, are you going to sacrifice Me and Invi and Si and Illy and everyone else who uses the dreaded white text? I cannot wait...
Jesus...has...a DANCE??? eek
Dear Lord *irony* rolleyes |
 |
|
|
|
|
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 2:22 am
|
|
|
 |
Arivel whapcapn Nebelstern Arivel Nebelstern whapcapn Invictus_88 *laughs*You are powerless to stop it! BWAHAHA!! *Writes something meaningless in visible text* Never, I say! I bless myself in the name of Jesus!Because, Jesus has to be in Everything. He is, after all, the son of the the "god" who created Everything. rolleyes Heh. I've been going to church my whole life. My mum's a very religious person and She says I don't have the option of not going. I hate it... But don't worry, I have no plans of getting you started on the whole farsical nature of religion...
Sorry if I offended anyone...Noo! You must love Jesus! Every day, as soon aas you wake up, you must do the Jesus dance, for every day is a Jesus day. And above all, you must help to sacrifice to Jesus those who make him cry. *hates jesus* Heh, What is the Jesus dance? Would you like to demonstrate? And also, are you going to sacrifice Me and Invi and Si and Illy and everyone else who uses the dreaded white text? I cannot wait...
I speak figuratively, of course. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 4:45 am
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 4:50 am
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 4:52 am
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 6:09 am
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 8:31 am
|
|
|
|
Nebelstern Invictus_88 Nebelstern Yes! NEVER get me started on the farsical nature of religion. I'd burn the churches...etc...
Sorry if I offended anyone...
Well, you asked for it!!
1. Religion is farsical, contains many loopholes etc.
2. I really have better things to do with my life that to pray to some idol.
3. I feel there is no need to waste time believing in something that has not made itself apparent to me.
4. All religions promote are warfare, disagreement (hence this rant) and suffering.
5. Churches can screw themselves as they have no real function - only to drain the funds of the country etc.
6. The pope has to be one of the falsest jobs on the planet. He gets none o' my grief.
7. Catholics are weird, prejudiced fools.
I told you!! scream
*calms self* So don't preach religion to me. stare
Ohyes! biggrin
*debate sparked and opposition brought to combat*
I didn't preach religion, I defended the churches. Priceless temples to human ability and craftsmanship, a part of our history and culture. However, you brought your guns to bear on the church and so despite having long-since left them, I will offer a few counterpoints.
1) Yes, religious doctrine does have loopholes and indeed may easily seem farcical. If you mean contradictions and flaws of logic. Yet so too do many things, from philosophy to physics. This point therefore would not compel you to oppose the church unless you also and equally opposed philosophy, politics and physics on the same grounds.
2) Fine. Others may place more value on it. It helps people to focus themselves, it is not so different from meditation really. It does no harm, so abolition of the church based upon the fact that some people perceive themselves to have better things to do falls into a disproportionate action and thus an invalid one.
3) Again. Others do, indeed, far cleverer, wiser and more extensively educated people than yourself. Thus, the beliefs of the atheist world will not win over the beliefs of the theistic world. They both have ignorants and wise men arguing for their respective support. This point could only stand (and then, only just) if you accepted that atheism should be abolised because a theist deems it a waste of time.
4) You know that they promote more noble virtues than that, everyone does, so your statement is invalid. To take it further though, they only support war when it is for what they percieve to be the greater good, greater good being subjective it is non-falsifiable and so it is logically unsound to abolish the churches on the grounds that you believe it to be for the greater good. They do cause disagreement but they do not favour it, politics, greed, lust, business and human nature all cause the same. Do we abolish those too? Suffering is caused by the church, but the suffering they prevent is far outweighed by that which they cause.
5) They do not drain funds from a country, they act as a non-governemntal form of local taxation whereby the members of the church give according to their ability and the money is distributed to the poor, sick and disabled of that area. Your point has been falsified and so adds no weight to your already zeroed argument.
6) The role of a figurehead is important, and his signatures are required to pass church doctrine. He is the papal monarchy without the profit but with an element of democracy. It has no bearing on our country and he is the leader of only one part of the church, not the broader church of Christianity. As such, abolition of the entire church based upon a value judgment on the leader of one section of it, would be logically invalid. He only effects part of the church. Point removed.
7) Some are. So are some atheists. So are some foreigners. So are some British people. To abolish a church because some people who comprise it conform to certain set criteria would oblige you to abolishing all other organisations. This point only stand if that is also your intention.
Regards,
Invictus, 1st Duke of Pwnage. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 8:53 am
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 8:58 am
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 9:01 am
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 10:17 am
|
|
|
|
Nebelstern Arivel whapcapn Nebelstern Arivel Nebelstern whapcapn Invictus_88 *laughs*You are powerless to stop it! BWAHAHA!! *Writes something meaningless in visible text* Never, I say! I bless myself in the name of Jesus!Because, Jesus has to be in Everything. He is, after all, the son of the the "god" who created Everything. rolleyes Heh. I've been going to church my whole life. My mum's a very religious person and She says I don't have the option of not going. I hate it... But don't worry, I have no plans of getting you started on the whole farsical nature of religion...
Sorry if I offended anyone...Noo! You must love Jesus! Every day, as soon aas you wake up, you must do the Jesus dance, for every day is a Jesus day. And above all, you must help to sacrifice to Jesus those who make him cry. *hates jesus* Heh, What is the Jesus dance? Would you like to demonstrate? And also, are you going to sacrifice Me and Invi and Si and Illy and everyone else who uses the dreaded white text? I cannot wait...
Dear Lord *irony* rolleyes
Of course Jesus has a dance! He's the Lord of it!
I was going to try to make a serous contribution to the thread, but I've probably already said it all in my previous post... |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 10:35 am
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 11:34 am
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 6:30 pm
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
