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Of Gorz, DaD, and Crush Card, DaD is the most broken of the three. But then again, it's not broken itself. It becomes broken because Dark Grepher is broken. It becomes broken because Malicious is broken. DaD as a lone card is a toddler's chew toy.

Crush Card Virus, for some time, has not been broken. When people run triple Solemn, Bribe, or even both, that happens. Might I also add that the new Stardust Dragon can stop it? Builds can get around it. It rarely sees a move nowadays. I wouldn't call that broken. I'd call it the opposite.

Gorz is just silly now. To offer a clear field just to summon him is stupid. The monsters and decks that do clear the field are far too much for Gorz to handle once he is out. And it's simple common sense that being you have to take the damage for Gorz to be summoned, that damage dealt would have lowered your lifepoints to 0. Once again, not broken.

And if you don't deliberately leave your field open for Gorz, it means you've wasted and/or lost everything else of resource on your field. I'd rather deliberately leave it open.

And yes, I can. How easily a card is dealt with contributes to the decision of it being broken or not.

Neither is running Gorz, instead of something that can stop said OTK.

As for CED, he gave people a new start on field and hand, and inflicted damage to your opponent. Of course it's not broken in that sense. But if you had ever remembered me saying something before, I believe it was...

"But then again, it's not broken itself. It becomes broken because Dark Grepher is broken. It becomes broken because Malicious is broken. DaD as a lone card is a toddler's chew toy."

And the same does not apply to CED, when? Learn what I'm talking about, or stop trying.

CED was broken because it was used in correspondence with one of the few cards that is actually broken all on its own - Sangan. Which lead to a card that was broken thanks to CED, Yata Garasu. Yata Garasu, like DaD and CED, are not broken as a lone card.

Reread my statements, and think things through, before you respond.

CED being balanced without Sangan or Yata? No. It being broken without Sangan or Yata? No. Then, it's just a reset button.

Once again, read my past statements. Did I only mention Dark Grepher? No, I don't think I did. I mentioned what cards work together now to become a broken combination, as in Dark Grepher + Malicious + DaD. The bolded part because you seemed to overlook it. Also, you got the math wrong. Two discards and a card from the deck to the grave isn't a -3, it's a -2.

Proof that DaD isn't Broken? Remove Malicious and Dark Grepher from the equation. You really want to revert back to the old Dimension Fusion? Oh wait, it's banned, so I guess we can't use that. But hey, didn't that build run Malicious and Grepher, too? How odd.

Take a step back. Instead of thinking in combos, think of individual cards. DaD is not broken. Dark Grepher as a lone card beats DaD simply for being able to be normal summoned. And searched for. And usable in a wider variety of builds than DaD.

But then again, if you think Gorz is/was broken, there's no hope for you at all, so I might as well drop it.

Compared to field control, since when did lifepoint damage matter? Oh wait, never. CED was used because it searched out Yata to keep your opponent at 0.0 cards after the field and hand wipe. You recognizing it for the burn over the wipe advantage for Yata? Stupid, and humorous.

And again, DaD isn't broken. Why, because it needs a setup to be summoned and used, despite how easy. And how easy is the setup? Grepher ditches 3, Dark Armed special summoned. Malicious recycled until 3 Darks in grave, Dark Armed special summoned. OH WAIT. Dark Armed is the one that needs those cards to actually be a playable monster. So really, it works backwards from what you're thinking.... odd, yet again. And no. Malicious and Dark Grepher aren't played because of Dark Armed Dragon. They're played because they're good. Grepher would still see play because of Malicious, Necro Gardna, and the new Plaguespreader. Malicious would still see play because he's a draw engine and a Synchro engine in one. DaD is an addition that sits in the deck and says "I could take advantage of this". It's not anything that makes a deck, it's the icing to it. Once again, not broken. Free +3? Did you forget it requires a setup? Dark Grepher and Malicious are its free +3. Chaos Sorcerer and Black Luster Soldier compared to DaD? Since when did I care, and since when was it part of this argument? But sure, lets overlook the two cards that have an easier setup than DaD.

Your arguments are lacking any sign of brains.

The burn effect of CED is laughable. You recognizing it over the wipe itself is laughable.

Armageddon Knight can't dump a Malicious from the hand, can it? I believe Grepher can. 3 Darks isn't hard, I know. Doing so without something as strategic as Grepher and Malicious is stupid. The strategy has been given a try after the emergency ban of Dimension Fusion. Wanna know what happened? Gladiator Beasts dominated. Just goes to show how much DaD is really worth without them. Grepher is a great card, reasons why already listed. Sends a Malicious from either hand or grave, along with other useful cards such as Plaguespreader? Being usable once per turn if needed, versus only upon summon? You saying it's not a good card makes you, well, not good at this game.

DaD has been proven to need Grepher and Malicious to maintain its status as tier. You being ignorant as not to know that is laughable.

My arguments are horrid? On the contrary, your argument can't keep up with me. You're terrible at this game. Deal with it.

I didn't. I said it was a reset button. That encompasses the hand wipe effect, does it not? Again, learning some english comprehension might help you to do a little better in arguing. And the burn effect may not be the most significant effect of CED, but to say it is irrelevant is foolish.

Again, you're thinking in such a shallow way. When did I say DAD was the only broken card in the game? This arguement is about DAD being broken, not "How do we knock Tele-DAD from top tier?". What's top tier doesn't matter as long as all the broken cards are gone.

DAD maintaining it's status is not the point. It's whether or not DAD, as a single card, is broken, which you can't seem to wrap your head around.

I sadi earlier that Grepher was run because DAD exists... Right? What does this have to do with anything?