Favorite Goth Song

[EYE SEE Y0U]

id say inkubus sukkubus as fav goth band but i mostly prefer black metal.  

[Toast Is Me]

Isobel Bellamy

I'm a traditionalist goth and i am not going to to the whole the whole "manson is not goth" thing that so many others are dragged down to (it just gets so damn boring and predictable....)

i agree. Manson isn't goth, he's not even industrial. he's just... manson.  

[Toast Is Me]

Mistress Dizzy

I said "Goth is (in literal terms) dead". Technically Goth was some of sort of really old religion back in the day that died out. But in the say, 70s - 80s those punkadelic british/ american kids started to try to be all bad-a** and call themselves Goth. So, as by saying "in literal terms" I meant, "literally, there are no Goths because Goth is a dead religion." But, I know what your saying, there are some true blue, honest to god, Gothic-cal people out there. They're rare on Gaia, but they're there. Annddd, yes, Goth is all about personality. Some people have it, some people don't. I think it's something you're born with. oO And double yes, I already know there's a thread on this. I just like to babble. xd

actually, goth or gothic was used in reference to all points of early, pre-roman germanic culture durring the dark ages, not just religiously. Because it was looked down on by the Romans, and those who followed the wake of their fallen empire, things that seemed in opposition romanesque culture where labled as gothic, carrying the connotations of the brutish or uncivilized. thus, gothic architecture, writting and (far later) music were classified by their name. goths tend to see beauty in things that the mainstream would find stigmatic, ugly, or wrong, thus the name fit, and the gothic subculture was born.  

[crown_of_thorns]

I hate to sound like an idiotic n00b, but while we're on the subject of explanations of subcultures and whatnot, could anybody maybe explain the subgenres of music listed in the poll? I don't really know what many of them mean, except for black metal. I'm rather uneducated on genres, subgenres, and things like that, whether it be in music, culture, or whatever. So if someone could explain those subgenres, I'd really appreciate it.  

[Muted Faith9]

I feel the need to tell you that manson skinny puppy cradle of fiilth, etc. are not goth, they are metal, the two are very different  

[~[Kryssi Katt]~]

I don't really label my music at all; not even by their own genre. I just listen to whatever I think sounds good at the moment, which varies from Frost Like Ashes to Il Divo.  

[Synovial]

*Nods* My favourite song at the moment that would be considered gothic is Anguish by Clan of Xymox.... Am Listening to it right now.


ninja  

[ceilisidhe]

[ D i z z y ]

themagikat

Mistress Dizzy

Personally, I don't consider myself to be Goth. People may look at me and say "Wow, you're all gothy" and stuff, but that's just what they think. Anyone can be "Gothic-like" but truth is, Goth (in literal terms) is dead. Most people who think they are Goth are probably more punk than anything else.

i wouldnt go that far. im not argueing or anything, and i agree most goths may just be punkish, but there are a few (namely me, tee hee) that are NOT punkish in the slightest sense, nor am i emo. im actually active and pretty outgoing. we already have a thread about this but to me goth is simply a mindset that deturmines the actions you take. to say most poeple are more punk is alright, but i woudlnt go so far as to say goth is dead.

I said "Goth is (in literal terms) dead". Technically Goth was some of sort of really old religion back in the day that died out. But in the say, 70s - 80s those punkadelic british/ american kids started to try to be all bad-a** and call themselves Goth. So, as by saying "in literal terms" I meant, "literally, there are no Goths because Goth is a dead religion." But, I know what your saying, there are some true blue, honest to god, Gothic-cal people out there. They're rare on Gaia, but they're there. Annddd, yes, Goth is all about personality. Some people have it, some people don't. I think it's something you're born with. oO And double yes, I already know there's a thread on this. I just like to babble. xd

.....goth as a religion, is dead...but by the same token knights don't exist anymore, either... ninja  

[Corpsette]

Countess_Nikora

Mistress Dizzy

I said "Goth is (in literal terms) dead". Technically Goth was some of sort of really old religion back in the day that died out. But in the say, 70s - 80s those punkadelic british/ american kids started to try to be all bad-a** and call themselves Goth. So, as by saying "in literal terms" I meant, "literally, there are no Goths because Goth is a dead religion." But, I know what your saying, there are some true blue, honest to god, Gothic-cal people out there. They're rare on Gaia, but they're there. Annddd, yes, Goth is all about personality. Some people have it, some people don't. I think it's something you're born with. oO And double yes, I already know there's a thread on this. I just like to babble. xd

actually, goth or gothic was used in reference to all points of early, pre-roman germanic culture durring the dark ages, not just religiously. Because it was looked down on by the Romans, and those who followed the wake of their fallen empire, things that seemed in opposition romanesque culture where labled as gothic, carrying the connotations of the brutish or uncivilized. thus, gothic architecture, writting and (far later) music were classified by their name. goths tend to see beauty in things that the mainstream would find stigmatic, ugly, or wrong, thus the name fit, and the gothic subculture was born.

Actually, there are several theories where this "subculture" was pulled from. It actually depends on which sort of "goth" you consider yourself. If at all you wish to proceed with such extentionalist labels, I'd say pick a path, and then run with it's history.
Some say that gothic was a religion.
Or it was an idea around the 70's and 80's to counteract all the bright colors and whatnot.
Or it was actually a culture,
Or a time period.
Honestly, there are so many branches that I myself prefer not to be called a goth.
I'm.. me.  

[xKelpiex]

I recommend "Dead Gardens", "Romanticide", and "Planet Hell" by Nightwish.  

[darkXmoon]

My music taste is bouncer then Jenna Jameson boobies! I can go to 80's pop to Opera twist around to some country and then dance my self into some tecno only to top it off with some thing nice and hard core with a dark twist of metal. The only music you won't find on my play list is hard core rap and western, An yes there is a difference between Country and wester music..shivers...Every thing else is in the open.

*MY PLAY LIST..
*The Crow (soundtrack)
*American McGee's alice (soundtrack)
*Manson
*NIN
*Android Lust
*Emily Simon
*Yuki Kajiura (.hack//sign soundtracks)
*Voltaire
*Beck
*Enya  

[Ontogeny]

The Heretic Anthem by Slipkont  

[Synovial]

Meh I just wrote about a page of an explanation and then realized all i did was rewrite what Countess Nikora said in more detail.............. *Passes out* sweatdrop  

[misstree]

From what I understand, goth in its current state started in the UK as a subculture of punk. Though I am entertained by the theory that goths are just beatnicks to forgot how to snap.

I also thought this was a worthy question to go back to for a moment... I'll do what I can, but I'm pretty specialized in my musical tastes, so assistance would be appreciated,,,

crown_of_thorns

I hate to sound like an idiotic n00b, but while we're on the subject of explanations of subcultures and whatnot, could anybody maybe explain the subgenres of music listed in the poll? I don't really know what many of them mean, except for black metal. I'm rather uneducated on genres, subgenres, and things like that, whether it be in music, culture, or whatever. So if someone could explain those subgenres, I'd really appreciate it.

old school goth (bauhaus, siouxie, ect):
This is one of the hardest "sounds" to pin down... 80's influences abound, and things tend to be kind of lushly constructed, often somewhat experimental. The Cure also falls into this category, and a lot of newer bands keep the sound itself alive.

neo-gothic rock (type o negative, coal chamber,ect):
Personally, not being a fan, i couldn't tell you the difference between this and black metal, so I pass on this one. razz


industrial (skinny puppy, VNV nation):
This often has some crossover with the techno end of things, though it excludes darkwavey stuff (spooky techno, basically). A friend once described industrial as an active grain thresher being dropped onto a herd of cats in heat, repeatedly and rhythmically. Often very experimental or with discordant notes, a lot of aggression, driving beats. Ministry is often considered industrial, and Front 242 is a good example of techno-industrial. Industrial influences can be seen in a lot of semi-mainstream notquitegoth bands, such as Korn, Tool, Rage Against the Machine, etc.

goth metal/ black metal:
see above. smile

the techno-y kind (diary of dreams, delerium):
Can be lighthearted and poppy (Cruxshadows, Die Warzau) or moody (Switchblade Symphony) or industrialish. Again, not my favorite cup o' tea (though quite drinkable), so if someone else would care to elaborate...

semi-mainstream goth (manson, ect):
If they've ever had a double platinum, they're probably thought to be in this category. Of course, this includes The Cure, NIN, Ministry, and a host of others, but there's an undercurrent to this: most in this category are often considered to not be "true" goth, but some b*****d pop offspring. The way I see it, if a lot of goths listen to it, it deserves to hang out in the category. Of course, this invites in people like Nick Cave, Rasputina, Johnny Cash, and Bjork, but I say, the more the merrier, they all have reasons to be considered goth in one way or another.

Feel free to disagree, elaborate, or thumb your nose; this is just my opinoin of the moment. smile  

[misstree]

wrote all that and never answered the original question... sheesh...

not knowing what else was going on the tape, there are two that tell me they want to be on there, both by V.A.S.T. (visual audio sensory theater); either "touched" or "pretty when you cry." my two cents.