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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 7:35 am


i dont think there is any definative meaning of Goth- just wat it means to someone.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 8:06 am


i don't think there could be one set meaning, but i know what being gothic means to me personaly.
i've come to define goth as the romance of lonleyness and darkness. that's really all it is and yet that seems to totally consume every part of you if you really embrace it... know what i mean?

p.s. please excuse the bad spelling.... stressed

janzie


themagikat

PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 8:44 am


i know what you mean. falling from the "norm" to find your place, stranded from grace. wow, if i wanted, i could make that a poem, lol.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 8:58 am


it's funny how easily it works into poetry that way. but that's romance at it's best ninja

janzie


themagikat

PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 9:00 am


romance at its best, hah. if you think about it, romance is really corny
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 9:10 am


it depends on what kind you mean bu.... well, then again, maybe we are all just a little bit corney?

janzie


Drama Freak

PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 1:51 pm


I think it means more than the clothes. I think it means having a feeling of hate which you wanna express in your clothes. Feeling of not caring in some way.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:54 pm


Textbook answer

Goth is a modern subculture that first became popular during the early 1980s within the gothic rock scene, a sub-genre of post punk. It is associated with gothic tastes in music and clothing. Styles of dress range from gothic horror, punk, Victorian, fetish, cybergoth, androgyny, and/or lots of black. Since the mid-1990s, styles of music that can be heard in goth venues range from gothic rock, industrial, punk, metal, techno, 1980s dance music, and several others.

Original subculture

By the late 1970s, there was a small number of post punk bands in Britain labeled "gothic". However, it was not until the early 1980s that gothic rock became its own sub-genre within post punk and that followers of these bands started to come together as a distinctly recognisable group or movement. The opening of the Batcave in London's Soho in July 1982 might be seen as marking the coming out of this scene (which had briefly been labeled positive punk by the New Musical Express). As one of the most famous meeting points for early goths, it lent its name to the term Batcaver, used to describe old school goths.

Independent of the British scene, the late 1970s and early 1980s saw death rock branch off from American punk. With similar themes and dress, goths and death rockers were sufficiently compatible to more or less merge.

The word goth, as a label for fans of gothic rock, did not start gaining currency until around 1983.

Etymology

Goth was originally the name of a Germanic tribe, the Goths, whose traditions said that they had migrated from Scandinavia (Scandza) to Poland (Gothiscandza) and then to the Ukraine (Oium). In southern Europe, they split into the Ostrogoths and Visigoths. The Visigoths sacked Rome and settled in Spain and France while the Ostrogoths settled in the Eastern Roman Empire but later invaded Italy. The term "goth" became pejorative, synonymous with "barbarian." (Another Germanic tribe that caused incredible damage to the Roman Empire were the Vandals, resulting in their name also acquiring a pejorative meaning.) Like most of the Germanic tribes that lived near the borders of the Roman Empire, the Goths were converted from "paganism" to Arian Christianity while the Roman Empire converted to Catholic Christianity. The latter considered the former to be heresy, not helping the barbarian association with the word "goth."

During the Renaissance period in Europe, medieval architecture had been retrospectively labeled "gothic," considered barbaric in contrast to trends in architecture during the Renaissance. Gothic medieval architecture often had dark and intimidating aspects, with depictions of gargoyles and other demon-like forms. By the 1700s, people became fascinated with medieval gothic ruins (even building fake ruins), and they became a perfect setting for horror fiction.

Gothic horror

The gothic novel, of the early nineteenth century, was responsible above all else for the term gothic being associated with a mood of horror, darkness and the supernatural. They established what horror stereotypes became by featuring graveyards, ruined castles or churches, ghosts, vampires, cursed families, being buried alive and melodramatic plots. Gothic novels are often concerned with the fate of a curious young woman, and a great deal of focus is placed on internal locations. A notable element in these novels were the brooding figure of the gothic villain, which developed into the Byronic hero, a key precursor in the male goth image. The most famous gothic villain of this genre would be Dracula. In 1993 Whitby became the location for what became the UK's biggest goth festival as a direct result of featuring in Bram Stoker's Dracula.

The work of Edgar Allan Poe, master of the gothic short story, has also been an inspiration for many goths. The modern figure of the femme fatale, which has its roots in Romantic literature, is a key image for female goths.

Cinema

An important medium between the goth scene and gothic literature is the modern popular horror genre, in which the horror film is paramount. One of the earliest impersonators of cinematic goth might be the silent movie actress Theda Bara. Imagery from horror films and television, especially the figure of the vampire and even camp horror B films such as Plan 9 From Outer Space have had significant influence on the evolution of Gothic fashion.

Hammer Horror films and 1960s TV series, such as The Addams Family, The Munsters, and Ann Radcliffe, have also inspired goths. The interconnection between horror and goth was highlighted in its early days by The Hunger, a 1983 vampire film, starring David Bowie, which featured gothic rock group Bauhaus performing Bela Lugosi's Dead in a nightclub.

Some of the early gothic rock and death rock artists adopted horror movie images and passed them onto their goth audiences. Such references in both their music and image were originally tongue-in-cheek, but as time went on, bands and members of the subculture took the connection more seriously. As a result, morbid, supernatural, and occult themes became a more noticeably serious element in the subculture.

Goth after post-punk

After the demise of post punk, Goth continued to evolve, both musically and visually. This caused variations in style ("types" of goth). Local "scenes" also contribute to this variation. By the 1990s, Victorian fashion had worked its way into the Goth scene, with the mid-19th century Gothic Revival and the morbid outlook of the Victorians (partly owing to the state of national mourning which developed in response to Prince Albert's death, and partly to the Victorians' general obsession with Christian funeral practices). The 2003 Victoria and Albert Museum Gothic exhibition in London furthered a tenuous connection between modern Goth and the medieval gothic period.

Some contemporary media popular among Goths include Anne Rice's novels (Interview with the Vampire) and notable movies such as The Crow, the Matrix trilogy, and the movies of Tim Burton (Edward Scissorhands, Nightmare Before Christmas, Beetlejuice, and Sleepy Hollow), as well as roleplaying games like Vampire_The_Masquerade. Influences from anime have also crept into the Goth scene, which helped give rise to cybergoth.

zer0cool


themagikat

PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 7:33 pm


the matrix trilogy is gothic?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 7:39 pm


themagikat
the matrix trilogy is gothic?


My friend nothing get past you does it. Ideal's in the matrix, its subtext, heck the first movie quote the new popular gothic fad of Alice in Wonderland. It's about perciving reality Then there is the sets, the cloths.

I mean maybe I am too harsh on people who see goth in freaken tinkerbell, if I cannot explain why the matrix fits as cypergoth

zer0cool


Anarki Warrior(nz)

PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 4:46 pm


Goth is a genre of rock, the subculture based off of the genre, and the followers of the two. It's so simple that it goes straight over people's heads. But, in case you want to b***h:

A Study of Gothic Subculture
Bam! Dictionary.com!
Bam! Wikipedia.org!
PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:42 pm


if you ask a hundred different goths, youll get a hundred different answers. To me it is an apreciation of the good in the world (or whats left of it), and knowing that it is all doomed to end, and never be reawakened.

Its grasping true beauty, only to have it turn to dust in your hands; the final dance as the walls crumble and fall around you.

Toast Is Me

Wheezing Smoker


Toast Is Me

Wheezing Smoker

PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:50 pm


themagikat
the matrix trilogy is gothic?


actually, the matirx is more industrial in its design and connotations. then again, goth and industrial walk hand in hand (through the graveyard, as the angels fall around them like snow. dont ask where that came from. These things just happen.)
PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:52 pm


...sigh...

So many textbook answers.

What does it mean to you all, as people?

Toast Is Me

Wheezing Smoker


Anarki Warrior(nz)

PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:36 am


Countess_Nikora
...sigh...

So many textbook answers.

What does it mean to you all, as people?
If I understand your questino correctly, I see it as a chance to express my indivuality, meet people of similar interests, and dance my a** off to my favourite kind of music. 3nodding
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