Wicca traditions?

[TeaDidikai]

patch99329

TeaDidikai

Nines19

TeaDidikai

Nines19

There exist (as far as I'm aware) loads of covens that aren't lineaged to Wicca.
They just aren't Wiccan covens.

Why?

They don't practice Wicca.

They don't practice Wica.

What do you have that says they don't practice Wicca?

Surely the sudden change from telling people they arent practicing wicca to saying that they are, but not wica specifically; is going to cause great confusion?

I don't personally place avoiding temporary confusion for the sake of maintaining a position to be better than manipulating truth myself.

If there is legit reason to suggest our previous position is wrong, to suggest "mudding the waters" is enough of a justification to not make the correction would make each and every one of us who ever suggested that magic is spelled without a K a hypocrite.  

[TeaDidikai]

Nines19

Depending on how we're defining Wicca, the covens themselves.

Isn't that what we need to examine?  

[TheDisreputableDog]

patch99329

Surely the sudden change from telling people they arent practicing wicca to saying that they are, but not wica specifically; is going to cause great confusion?

I guess the lesson here is "critical thinking != blindly repeating Tea's common positions." It's only confusing if we are invested in Tea's statements themselves and by extension their consistency, over direct examination of the issues at play. And I'm mostly speaking for myself here; I know I have a tendency to think "oh, respected-guild-member said X, therefore that's what's true," when that's not really much better than saying "I read that in Buckland so it's true." Doesn't mean it's necessarily not true either, but it should be the position, not the person.  

[scorplett]

TeaDidikai

Sophist

Interesting. Might you have a link?

Nope. I just browsed it. Look in here and M&R. These are really the only two places I could have read it.

Would it have been the 'One C versus two C' article on Geraldgardner.com ?

It's the one that basically tries to track the usages of it.

When you mentioned it last time in proper debate (maybe a month or two ago) I went off and did a bit of further asking and researching.

The earliest two c I could find that wasn't completely oathbound, was in 1962 correspondences between Buckland and Margaret St. Clair (Fiction author of "Sign of the Labrys")
I got such a slagging off the other Elders when they found out I spent six hours of an evening researching one 'c' two 'c'.. but hey, I kinda get a kick out of that sort of thing biggrin

If I come up with more on it, I'll let ye know.  

[scorplett]

There are numerous BoS's that have typographical errors from over the years...
The famous one being
"The hidden Chickens of the Goddess" razz

Personally I think that somewhere between 1954 and 1960 the first of the two c books started coming about.

It happens!

On top of that, June Johns'(1969) and Richard Cavendishs(1970) books about Alex use the two c spelling also. Though by this point, the eclectic neopagan movement was beginning to or had taken hold.  

[Nines19]

TeaDidikai

Nines19

Depending on how we're defining Wicca, the covens themselves.

Isn't that what we need to examine?

The covens, or how we're defining Wicca?
(Or both?)  

[TeaDidikai]

scorplett

Would it have been the 'One C versus two C' article on Geraldgardner.com ?

Nope. It was an actual thread on Gaia.


Now it's going to drive me nuts and I'm going to have to go dig it out...

Quote:

If I come up with more on it, I'll let ye know.

Sounds good.

Nines19

TeaDidikai

Nines19

Depending on how we're defining Wicca, the covens themselves.

Isn't that what we need to examine?

The covens, or how we're defining Wicca?
(Or both?)

twisted