Nines' Path (Okay, go.)

[bondage bunnie]

Quick word on Baptism. Regardless of the concept of original sin; it is a ritual based on the pact a parent makes between their child and their religion, to raise that child in the manner befitting the ideals of the religion. In Catholicism it is a 2 fold event, Baptism and confirmation. They are brought into the religion in baptism and confirm that they were raised under those ideal and choose to continue to embrace them during confirmation. Judaism has the Bris and the bar/batmitsfa. Circumcision is just a matter of hygiene FYI.  

[rmcdra]

bondage bunnie

Final summation idolatry is openly practiced in both Judaism and Christianity. There are specific places of worship, and symbols, and rituals to those symbols; are there not?

The things you mention are not specifically idolatry. The objects are not worshiped but serve as a focus that God is present. It is true that God exist in everything but we, or at least for me, forget this. The buildings, symbols, and rituals serve not as objects of worship but tools to worship God and to "wake up" the celebrants and participants to the various mysteries of the Church.  

[bondage bunnie]

rmcdra

bondage bunnie

Final summation idolatry is openly practiced in both Judaism and Christianity. There are specific places of worship, and symbols, and rituals to those symbols; are there not?

The things you mention are not specifically idolatry. The objects are not worshiped but serve as a focus that God is present. It is true that God exist in everything but we, or at least for me, forget this. The buildings, symbols, and rituals serve not as objects of worship but tools to worship God and to "wake up" the celebrants and participants to the various mysteries of the Church.

I just want to focus real quick on the "Mysteries of the Church" statement. I have heard this alot, not just from you so don't think I am singling you out. The concepts about God's lessons and commandments leave no room for mystery. God made the universe, you are in it, treat others good and above all remember God made you and everything else so follow the terms of service agreement.

Like it or not idolatry is hugely practiced and completely encouraged; openly and blatantly by those who directly condone it. Try to remember the perspective that a religion is a society based on a theological belief structure and thus as a society must have an economy. Economy is fueled by merchandising and tax exempt status as well as donations, but mostly merchandising, tourism, real estate, big business and holding interests.  

[rmcdra]

bondage bunnie

rmcdra

bondage bunnie

Final summation idolatry is openly practiced in both Judaism and Christianity. There are specific places of worship, and symbols, and rituals to those symbols; are there not?

The things you mention are not specifically idolatry. The objects are not worshiped but serve as a focus that God is present. It is true that God exist in everything but we, or at least for me, forget this. The buildings, symbols, and rituals serve not as objects of worship but tools to worship God and to "wake up" the celebrants and participants to the various mysteries of the Church.

I just want to focus real quick on the "Mysteries of the Church" statement. I have heard this alot, not just from you so don't think I am singling you out. The concepts about God's lessons and commandments leave no room for mystery. God made the universe, you are in it, treat others good and above all remember God made you and everything else so follow the terms of service agreement.

The mysteries are the revealed truths of the Church. By participating in the Church rituals one can experience firsthand these revealed truths. Since ritual is experiential in nature, results will greatly vary.  

[Collowrath]

According to Oxford, idolatry is:

1) The worship of idols or images ‘made with hands’; more generally, the paying or offering of divine honours to any created object.

2. Immoderate attachment to or veneration for any person or thing; admiration savouring of adoration.

It's not idolatry until they start worshiping the walls and icons and rituals themselves. As it stands, they don't.  

[rmcdra]

Collowrath

According to Oxford, idolatry is:

1) The worship of idols or images ‘made with hands’; more generally, the paying or offering of divine honours to any created object.

2. Immoderate attachment to or veneration for any person or thing; admiration savouring of adoration.

It's not idolatry until they start worshiping the walls and icons and rituals themselves. As it stands, they don't.

Thank you. OED comes to save the day.  

[rmcdra]

bondage bunnie

Like it or not idolatry is hugely practiced and completely encouraged; openly and blatantly by those who directly condone it. Try to remember the perspective that a religion is a society based on a theological belief structure and thus as a society must have an economy. Economy is fueled by merchandising and tax exempt status as well as donations, but mostly merchandising, tourism, real estate, big business and holding interests.

Okay now how does you claim support that idolatry is practiced and encouraged? If anything this is a straw-man at best. Oh and thanks for editing your post and making it look like I was ignoring part of your remarks.  

[bondage bunnie]

Sorry man Catholicism left such a sour taste in my mouth. Christianity is a beautiful thing when people revere the ideas. Don't need a cross to remember to treat others kindly.  

[whiporwill-o]

bondage bunnie

Sorry man Catholicism left such a sour taste in my mouth. Christianity is a beautiful thing when people revere the ideas. Don't need a cross to remember to treat others kindly.

i didn't read the first page so i may have missed something, but it was my understanding that the cross isn't to remind you to be kind to others, but serves as a reminder that the lord's only begotten son died for your sins.  

[rmcdra]

whiporwill-o

bondage bunnie

Sorry man Catholicism left such a sour taste in my mouth. Christianity is a beautiful thing when people revere the ideas. Don't need a cross to remember to treat others kindly.

i didn't read the first page so i may have missed something, but it was my understanding that the cross isn't to remind you to be kind to others, but serves as a reminder that the lord's only begotten son died for your sins.

There's that but there's also multiple meanings of the cross. One being the active and passive forces of God acting within a person and the interconnectivity of that force.  

[Gho the Girl]

bondage bunnie

Sorry man Catholicism left such a sour taste in my mouth. Christianity is a beautiful thing when people revere the ideas. Don't need a cross to remember to treat others kindly.

But we don't worship the symbol, we worship the one it symbolises. The cross is just a cross, in and of itself, a cross does little, but for us, it is a reminder of our saviour.  

[Gho the Girl]

rmcdra

whiporwill-o

bondage bunnie

Sorry man Catholicism left such a sour taste in my mouth. Christianity is a beautiful thing when people revere the ideas. Don't need a cross to remember to treat others kindly.

i didn't read the first page so i may have missed something, but it was my understanding that the cross isn't to remind you to be kind to others, but serves as a reminder that the lord's only begotten son died for your sins.

There's that but there's also multiple meanings of the cross. One being the active and passive forces of God acting within a person and the interconnectivity of that force.

Either way, we're not worshipping it, so Christianity is not "full of idolatry."  

[rmcdra]

Gho the Girl

rmcdra

whiporwill-o

bondage bunnie

Sorry man Catholicism left such a sour taste in my mouth. Christianity is a beautiful thing when people revere the ideas. Don't need a cross to remember to treat others kindly.

i didn't read the first page so i may have missed something, but it was my understanding that the cross isn't to remind you to be kind to others, but serves as a reminder that the lord's only begotten son died for your sins.

There's that but there's also multiple meanings of the cross. One being the active and passive forces of God acting within a person and the interconnectivity of that force.

Either way, we're not worshipping it, so Christianity is not "full of idolatry."

3nodding  

[whiporwill-o]

rmcdra

whiporwill-o

bondage bunnie

Sorry man Catholicism left such a sour taste in my mouth. Christianity is a beautiful thing when people revere the ideas. Don't need a cross to remember to treat others kindly.

i didn't read the first page so i may have missed something, but it was my understanding that the cross isn't to remind you to be kind to others, but serves as a reminder that the lord's only begotten son died for your sins.

There's that but there's also multiple meanings of the cross. One being the active and passive forces of God acting within a person and the interconnectivity of that force.

i've never heard that one before, perhaps it is only seen that way by certain sects of christianity?  

[Gho the Girl]

whiporwill-o

rmcdra

whiporwill-o

bondage bunnie

Sorry man Catholicism left such a sour taste in my mouth. Christianity is a beautiful thing when people revere the ideas. Don't need a cross to remember to treat others kindly.

i didn't read the first page so i may have missed something, but it was my understanding that the cross isn't to remind you to be kind to others, but serves as a reminder that the lord's only begotten son died for your sins.

There's that but there's also multiple meanings of the cross. One being the active and passive forces of God acting within a person and the interconnectivity of that force.

i've never heard that one before, perhaps it is only seen that way by certain sects of christianity?

It seems to me like a more mystic view of the cross. I see it the crucifix more as a symbol of Jesus, and the burden he carried, but also of my cross, my burden, and my sacrifice as desired by God.