Dont come to our church!

[Violet Song jat Shariff]

TeaDidikai

Violet Song jat Shariff

I feel that what you are doing is proselytizing.

Yep. That's what she's doing.

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I speak for myself here, but it's definitely not appreciated.

Why?

Why I speak for myself?
Or why I don't appreciate it?

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I have to wonder why you joined if this was your intention.

My suspicion is that she's "trying to do the right thing". I just think it's poorly executed.

True.  

[TeaDidikai]

Violet Song jat Shariff

Why I speak for myself?
Or why I don't appreciate it?

The second. Why is someone asking you to come to Yeshua offensive?  

[IH_Zero]

TeaDidikai

Violet Song jat Shariff

Why I speak for myself?
Or why I don't appreciate it?

The second. Why is someone asking you to come to Yeshua offensive?

I don't find it offensive, so much as perplexing. If she'd looked around a little, she'd have found that a fair number of the members here are informed about Christianity, and still perfectly happy with our faiths.

With what's been explained to me about the site posted, it seems to assume we either don't understand, or haven't ever really been informed about Christianity.  

[VampireMetal]

loook guys i was trying to be offensives i just did it. i mean what did i have to lose. its my faith its my religion, i know what i was getting myself into when i posted this thing, and you know what i dont regret im sorry if it was offensives like i said i dont have anything against pagans, or people who have different beliefs then mine  

[Collowrath]

AngryRobotsInc.

TeaDidikai

Violet Song jat Shariff

Why I speak for myself?
Or why I don't appreciate it?

The second. Why is someone asking you to come to Yeshua offensive?

I don't find it offensive, so much as perplexing. If she'd looked around a little, she'd have found that a fair number of the members here are informed about Christianity, and still perfectly happy with our faiths.

With what's been explained to me about the site posted, it seems to assume we either don't understand, or haven't ever really been informed about Christianity.

Not to mention people here who are both and neither (Christian and pagan).  

[VampireMetal]

and i know alot of you know about Christianity i came in with that notation too  

[IH_Zero]

Collowrath

Not to mention people here who are both and neither (Christian and pagan).

That too.  

[maenad nuri]

TeaDidikai

Come on Nuri. It's not that bad. You've asked me to show restraint in the face of Fluffy Pagans who have done the same thing she has. Yes, she was disrespectful, but are you not creating a double standard?

There's a difference in the power dynamics at play though. This is privilege, stemming from being a majority religion and not taking a group like ours seriously. I would have had no problem with an actual discussion or participation within other topics. That would really be hypocritical of me, since we often have discussions on Abrahamic topics.

The guild is made to help pagans (mostly) who want to come in and learn and discuss. Typically, there isn't the same power dynamic, at least not in the same way.

VampireMetal, you can make it up -- be an active participant. Don't just come into a Pagan guild and expect us to accept a privileged move like this.  

[Violet Song jat Shariff]

TeaDidikai

Violet Song jat Shariff

Why I speak for myself?
Or why I don't appreciate it?

The second. Why is someone asking you to come to Yeshua offensive?

Well I consider this guild a sort of safe-zone; having someone pop up and pull the "convert" card is really the last thing I expect or want.

I was under the impression that something could be unappreciated, but not necessarily offensive. I'm offended by the fact that she says she cares, but won't bother with the time and effort to get to know any of us, as you pointed out. Not appreciating the attempt to convert to me gives more of a "Now why would you go and make yourself a bother?" kind of feel. Kind of like if a Jewish or Muslim person came into my house and threw away all of our bacon and pork chops and then wanted thanked for getting rid of all of the "unclean" food.
(I hope that all made some sort of sense)  

[TeaDidikai]

AngryRobotsInc.

I don't find it offensive, so much as perplexing. If she'd looked around a little, she'd have found that a fair number of the members here are informed about Christianity, and still perfectly happy with our faiths.

Yes, this is one of the reasons I believe her actions were disrespectful and uncaring.

Her intention though was not.

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With what's been explained to me about the site posted, it seems to assume we either don't understand, or haven't ever really been informed about Christianity.

As I said, I feel the site suffers from the same flaws that other forms of missionary work do- they don't actually involve caring and loving the people you are trying to help.

The other thing to consider is that most scholarship from pagans in regards to Christendom is not what I would consider to be of any quality.

Often when threads talk about the contradictions in paganism, most of the contradictions provided are more misunderstandings.  

[VampireMetal]

TeaDidikai

AngryRobotsInc.

I don't find it offensive, so much as perplexing. If she'd looked around a little, she'd have found that a fair number of the members here are informed about Christianity, and still perfectly happy with our faiths.

Yes, this is one of the reasons I believe her actions were disrespectful and uncaring.

Her intention though was not.

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With what's been explained to me about the site posted, it seems to assume we either don't understand, or haven't ever really been informed about Christianity.

As I said, I feel the site suffers from the same flaws that other forms of missionary work do- they don't actually involve caring and loving the people you are trying to help.

The other thing to consider is that most scholarship from pagans in regards to Christendom is not what I would consider to be of any quality.

Often when threads talk about the contradictions in paganism, most of the contradictions provided are more misunderstandings.

im sorry you feel that way, i will admit i like of Christians are like that alot of us our hypocrite heck even i will admit i can be sometimes. but my friend is a pagan, and i dont judge or misinterpret her like that. i would never  

[VampireMetal]

Violet Song jat Shariff

TeaDidikai

Violet Song jat Shariff

Why I speak for myself?
Or why I don't appreciate it?

The second. Why is someone asking you to come to Yeshua offensive?

Well I consider this guild a sort of safe-zone; having someone pop up and pull the "convert" card is really the last thing I expect or want.

I was under the impression that something could be unappreciated, but not necessarily offensive. I'm offended by the fact that she says she cares, but won't bother with the time and effort to get to know any of us, as you pointed out. Not appreciating the attempt to convert to me gives more of a "Now why would you go and make yourself a bother?" kind of feel. Kind of like if a Jewish or Muslim person came into my house and threw away all of our bacon and pork chops and then wanted thanked for getting rid of all of the "unclean" food.
(I hope that all made some sort of sense)

fine lets get to know each other then. because what you said is fair  

[Violet Song jat Shariff]

VampireMetal

Violet Song jat Shariff

TeaDidikai

Violet Song jat Shariff

Why I speak for myself?
Or why I don't appreciate it?

The second. Why is someone asking you to come to Yeshua offensive?

Well I consider this guild a sort of safe-zone; having someone pop up and pull the "convert" card is really the last thing I expect or want.

I was under the impression that something could be unappreciated, but not necessarily offensive. I'm offended by the fact that she says she cares, but won't bother with the time and effort to get to know any of us, as you pointed out. Not appreciating the attempt to convert to me gives more of a "Now why would you go and make yourself a bother?" kind of feel. Kind of like if a Jewish or Muslim person came into my house and threw away all of our bacon and pork chops and then wanted thanked for getting rid of all of the "unclean" food.
(I hope that all made some sort of sense)

fine lets get to know each other then. because what you said is fair

Lets wink .
What are some of your other interests?  

[TeaDidikai]

VampireMetal

loook guys i was trying to be offensives i just did it.

But that's part of why it was offensive.

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i mean what did i have to lose.

Your grace. See, you're actions weren't loving. Remember that Yeshua taught Love.

When you do the wrong thing, even for the right reason, you become the kind of Righteous person that Yeshua says he never knew. (Matthew 25)

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its my faith its my religion, i know what i was getting myself into when i posted this thing, and you know what i dont regret

You do not regret being disrespectful? You do not regret telling us you care but showing us you do not?


Could you please address the actions I pointed out and the questions I posed to you?

I would like to see this turn into an honest and insightful discussion.

VampireMetal

and i know alot of you know about Christianity i came in with that notation too

Then why do you feel the need to post a link that assumes we do not?

Why not treat us with respect?

maenad nuri

There's a difference in the power dynamics at play though. This is privilege, stemming from being a majority religion and not taking a group like ours seriously. I would have had no problem with an actual discussion or participation within other topics. That would really be hypocritical of me, since we often have discussions on Abrahamic topics.

The guild is made to help pagans (mostly) who want to come in and learn and discuss. Typically, there isn't the same power dynamic, at least not in the same way.

I don't see any evidence that she doesn't take the Guild seriously. What I do see is that she isn't mature enough to engage in the quality of discussion that people ten years her senior+ are able to create.

Is that not privilege based upon maturity being executed over someone who is younger and more inexperienced by a majority/authority?

If that dynamic is the issue, and not how it is expressed (Christian v. Pagan) then we should make allowances for her inexperience.  

[VampireMetal]

Violet Song jat Shariff

VampireMetal

Violet Song jat Shariff

TeaDidikai

Violet Song jat Shariff

Why I speak for myself?
Or why I don't appreciate it?

The second. Why is someone asking you to come to Yeshua offensive?

Well I consider this guild a sort of safe-zone; having someone pop up and pull the "convert" card is really the last thing I expect or want.

I was under the impression that something could be unappreciated, but not necessarily offensive. I'm offended by the fact that she says she cares, but won't bother with the time and effort to get to know any of us, as you pointed out. Not appreciating the attempt to convert to me gives more of a "Now why would you go and make yourself a bother?" kind of feel. Kind of like if a Jewish or Muslim person came into my house and threw away all of our bacon and pork chops and then wanted thanked for getting rid of all of the "unclean" food.
(I hope that all made some sort of sense)

fine lets get to know each other then. because what you said is fair

Lets wink .
What are some of your other interests?

well im a huge anime freak. i love the show trigun. i kind of do things on impulse which gets me in trouble sometimes but hey i would rather live my life alive then dead. my favorite color is black and purple. lol i have a wide intersect in music. i dont really watch TV most of the shows kind of suck. i like to read. i ususal to like the twilight series but now its just freakin annoy with all the craze fan girls. Hey did you know that peopling are saying Zack Efron is going to be light in the live action american death note.