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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:09 pm
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:39 pm
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Allymanderxx I like the debating over abortion personally. I think that it would be hard to make it illegal, everyone has different morals and views on it. I agree with abortion. Yet, only to a certain extent... Here are my views:: 1.] You don't want a baby, simply don't have sex. 2.] If you do have sex, use protection. 3.] If a baby so happens, it should be the woman's choice to abort it, keep it, or give it up for adoption. 4.] It is wrong to bring an unwanted child into the world. That is one more child that needs a home that they might not get. 5.] If the baby so happens to have some serious health issues that the mother does not want her child to live with due to how the cruel the world can be. 6.] Can't afford to raise a child. 7.] Is simply to young to have a child. 8.] Raped. [Keep or abort] 9.] HIV Positive. [Keep or abort] 10.] The mother could be killed by the child during birth. [If known soon enough] I don't believe that abortion should be used as an active birth control method. Girl gets pregnant, abort. Again the girl gets pregnant, abort again. And again. And again. And again. -.-;; I am a spiritual person and I believe that the mother feels the baby soul enter through her body and into the fetus. After that happens, I do not believe abortion should happen. I, personally, would consider it murder. Or. You may have an abortion up to the 2nd trimester. After that, too bad. I do believe banning it could result in women using a coat hanger or getting an abortion in a dirty setting that could be extremely risky. It is better for there to be rules and restrictions [like up to the 2nd tri only] then to ban all together. I understand where religion is brought into this. BUT, freedom of religion kinda puts a stop to that. A person or the government of the United States should not push morals that some see fit onto others. Freedom. And day by day it seems that our freedoms are slowly being taken away. If abortion became illegal, what would happen to other rights women fought to have? What if that so happened to cause a domino effect and we lost other freedoms due to religious beliefs and another morals? Everyone different. We are not all the same. We do not all believe in the same things. We do not all have the same morals. Would the world turn into something like the world in 'The Giver'? Are we on the path to that? Complete sameness? What if colors became illegal to see? As women, young women, and young ladies, we need to stand up for out rights. It is our body. Our own body that we choose what happens to it. Rather it be a shrine for a God. Or a piece of canvas to add amazing colors and stories onto. Maybe as soldier and risk that body for everyone's freedom. It is everyone's soul choice to what and how they choose to use there body. Some may not believe in what I believe or what I am saying. But, if someone came up to you and told you you couldn't wear pants anymore and that you have to wear a skirt, how would feel? To me, if someone told me I couldn't choose to have an abortion, that I had to carry that child. I would feel tied down and betrayed that I can't my own decisions as a woman. I would feel as if, simply, I wasn't free. America would look different to me. o.O Sorry for the long rant... Enjoy? I agree completely with you. Except, I'm not very religious, but I do agree with what you have to say. Especially the fact that it is our right as a woman. I definitely enjoyed your rant.
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:02 pm
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:57 pm
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 3:51 pm
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:46 pm
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Momo The Strange I personally say anyone under the age of 17 who gets knocked up (and they weren't raped, and willingly having sex with an adult is not rape in my opinion (1)) should have to keep the kid. (2) Maybe that would get freakin' 13 and 14 year old girls to stop having sex. Seriously, the idea of having to take care of a baby is not pleasing to middle school aged girls. (3) :l 1) If I show you two ultrasounds of a rape fetus and a fetus created through consensual sex, there are no differences. Why are we lessening the value of a fetus simply due to how it was created?
2) I've never understood the logic behind this. You feel that she made a bad decision regarding herself, yet you trust that she will not make similar bad decisions while she is pregnant or while she is taking care of the baby? Why?
3) I know at least one person who got pregnant in tenth grade (two years ago), kept the kid, and is pregnant again. I've also heard stories of girls making agreements to get pregnant and raise their babies together. Forcing the girl to keep the kid will not necessarily make someone stop having sex. Also, what about the boy that gets the girl pregnant?
Momo The Strange Anyone older than that should be given the option of abortion. They might get pregnant at a bad time, and they aren't able to support the baby. Middle/high school should count as a "bad time", considering that dropping out will affect what options this girl has. They also may not have a job (or simply hold a part-time job for about minimum wage), so they will have trouble supporting the baby. I don't have anything to argue with here otherwise.
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Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:56 pm
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TheGreatandPowerfulOz4117
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:22 pm
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:24 pm
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Zephyrkitty Momo The Strange I personally say anyone under the age of 17 who gets knocked up (and they weren't raped, and willingly having sex with an adult is not rape in my opinion (1)) should have to keep the kid. (2) Maybe that would get freakin' 13 and 14 year old girls to stop having sex. Seriously, the idea of having to take care of a baby is not pleasing to middle school aged girls. (3) :l 1) If I show you two ultrasounds of a rape fetus and a fetus created through consensual sex, there are no differences. Why are we lessening the value of a fetus simply due to how it was created? 2) I've never understood the logic behind this. You feel that she made a bad decision regarding herself, yet you trust that she will not make similar bad decisions while she is pregnant or while she is taking care of the baby? Why? 3) I know at least one person who got pregnant in tenth grade (two years ago), kept the kid, and is pregnant again. I've also heard stories of girls making agreements to get pregnant and raise their babies together. Forcing the girl to keep the kid will not necessarily make someone stop having sex. Also, what about the boy that gets the girl pregnant? Momo The Strange Anyone older than that should be given the option of abortion. They might get pregnant at a bad time, and they aren't able to support the baby. Middle/high school should count as a "bad time", considering that dropping out will affect what options this girl has. They also may not have a job (or simply hold a part-time job for about minimum wage), so they will have trouble supporting the baby. I don't have anything to argue with here otherwise.
If a girl gets pregnant with a baby she never wanted because she was raped, and she was forced to keep the baby, that would be a perminent reminder of what had happened to her. If the girl got pregnant because she willingly had sex, then she needs to live up to what she did. It's true that there is no difference between the fetuses, it's a big difference for the mother. :l And yeah, those are problems, but it's not gonna be perfect. Ideas always have flaws in them, and while that is the case for some, it is not the case for all. And if she had sex in middle/high school, well that's her own damn fault. She shouldn't be having sex at such a young age.
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:06 pm
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Momo The Strange Zephyrkitty Momo The Strange I personally say anyone under the age of 17 who gets knocked up (and they weren't raped, and willingly having sex with an adult is not rape in my opinion (1)) should have to keep the kid. (2) Maybe that would get freakin' 13 and 14 year old girls to stop having sex. Seriously, the idea of having to take care of a baby is not pleasing to middle school aged girls. (3) :l 1) If I show you two ultrasounds of a rape fetus and a fetus created through consensual sex, there are no differences. Why are we lessening the value of a fetus simply due to how it was created? 2) I've never understood the logic behind this. You feel that she made a bad decision regarding herself, yet you trust that she will not make similar bad decisions while she is pregnant or while she is taking care of the baby? Why? 3) I know at least one person who got pregnant in tenth grade (two years ago), kept the kid, and is pregnant again. I've also heard stories of girls making agreements to get pregnant and raise their babies together. Forcing the girl to keep the kid will not necessarily make someone stop having sex. Also, what about the boy that gets the girl pregnant? Momo The Strange Anyone older than that should be given the option of abortion. They might get pregnant at a bad time, and they aren't able to support the baby. Middle/high school should count as a "bad time", considering that dropping out will affect what options this girl has. They also may not have a job (or simply hold a part-time job for about minimum wage), so they will have trouble supporting the baby. I don't have anything to argue with here otherwise. If a girl gets pregnant with a baby she never wanted because she was raped, and she was forced to keep the baby, that would be a perminent reminder of what had happened to her. If the girl got pregnant because she willingly had sex, then she needs to live up to what she did. It's true that there is no difference between the fetuses, it's a big difference for the mother. :l And yeah, those are problems, but it's not gonna be perfect. Ideas always have flaws in them, and while that is the case for some, it is not the case for all. And if she had sex in middle/high school, well that's her own damn fault. She shouldn't be having sex at such a young age.
So your view is that people should take responsibility for their actions, correct? I have some questions, then. - If people should take responsibility for their actions, why do you only blame the mother for having sex? - How will the father take responsibility for his actions? - Will turning the fetus into a punishment for having sex be helpful to the child? - There are women who can go through a pregnancy resulting from rape and raise the child with very few problems. There are also women who will have problems with a pregnancy from consensual sex (in some of these case the woman didn't realize there would be a problem until she was pregnant). What happens in these cases? - What about cases where carrying the pregnancy to term could be life-threatening for the mother? Or where the pregnancy itself will not kill her, but it will prevent her from getting treatment for something else that will, such as cancer? - How will we go about determining whether or not the fetus was the result of a rape? Most women are raped by someone they know, so simply doing a DNA test might not be enough to figure it out.
Second, you're putting in an age restriction. - What is the difference between a girl who has sex and gets pregnant the day before her 18th birthday, and the girl who does this the day after? - What if the girl is not fully developed and carrying the pregnancy to term would be dangerous? - Abstinence-only sex education (which is what's been taught in most schools during Bush's presidency) teaches very little beyond 'don't have sex until you're married', and I've heard some pretty crazy myths regarding what causes/prevents pregnancies. Do you think that a girl should be punished for not understanding exactly what sex is and getting pregnant? - On the same note, if a girl takes every precaution that she can but still gets pregnant, why punish her instead of a girl who is a few years older but chooses to have unprotected sex? - I'm asking again. Why are you expecting this girl to take care of a child for nine months of pregnancy and 18+ years afterward? You feel that she has shown her irresponsibility by having sex before she is 18, but that she'll magically get over this and take care of the child as a perfect mother now? - Similarily, I am eighteen, and I do not want kids at all. If I decide, despite this, to have unprotected sex with a man and end up pregnant, I am not irresponsible and may abort it?
I'll be completely honest here. I disagree with the pro-life viewpoint, but I do understand where pro-lifers are coming from. However, I don't understand the pro-punishment view of 'you had sex, so you need to deal with the consequences of your actions'. I understand 'you need to deal with the consequences of your actions, but only if you're under 18' even less. I'm not exaggerating at all when I say that your stance completely baffles me, and that I'd like you to explain why you feel this way about it, because I honestly can't understand how a person can hold this view in the first place.
Also, if you think that something is a problem, I would like to know how you think this problem should be fixed. Your suggestion might not be perfect, but it'll help your position much more than 'it's a problem, but there's not really anything I can do about it'.
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Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:11 pm
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:16 pm
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 7:49 pm
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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 7:50 pm
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