New Sol fluff

[Caleidah]

Iron Wolf 85

that's the empire they throw billions of men into the military meatgrinder at any given time all across the galaxy.
their population is so huge they never bothered to count because it would take too long.
New Sol has a few worlds devoted to industry, but can prodouce more and better quality stuff with less manpower, because they are much more mechinized than the imperum (true humans must be present to maintain the machines and make sure nothing bad happens). Not to mention each scavagner fleet is like a forge world all on it's own.

You don't seem to understand the point that we're all making. Yes, the Imperium throws people into the 'military meatgrinder' as you said. That is only because they are absolutely surrounded by enemies and permeated by internal conflict. On Earth, I'd say that a relatively small total population is militarized. Given that your planets would need their own PDFs, not to mention the people in your explorator/scavenger fleets.

Its not a thing of stopping to count, its a thing of logistics. You need people to survive in the 41st millenium.  

[Xenos Mortium]

Wait, this might help...


Holy Terra in the 41st millenium has dozens of billlions of people on it.

Earth, the planet you live on, as this very moment, in the year 2008, has well over six billion people. That's one planet.

On twenty four planets you have ninety eight million? Let's compare one planet in 2008 to 24 in the 41st millenium.

6,250,000,000+
98,000,000+

neutral  

[Iron Wolf 85]

I will let you debate it, I'll side with the winner, I am only adjusting the numbers one more time  

[Glorious Leader Luna]

Well lets put some more facts on the table

rates of population growth from 2000 to 2005 was:
237.771 million in Asia
92.293 million in Africa
38.052 million in Latin America
16.241 million in Northern America
1.955 million in Oceania
-3.264 million in Europe
383.047 million in total
Right so in 5 years of growth Earth has over 3 times the number of your Empier
what has had up to 25,000 years of growth yet only has about over 100 million People.  

[Iron Wolf 85]

thank you for the advice on the population  

[Iron Wolf 85]

thinking about what tech they would wield.
These are not guard, they should be better armed and armored.
They prefer mobility, and air support, but can bring heavies into the field when pressed.
their most important piece of tech is the mass energy converter.
simply put energy+slow=matter.
and matter+speed=energy
basically a laser grid that can fabricate almost any blueprint you put into it...
This is why they will accept any raw materal as payment, it's all energy when speeded up properly, and that energy becomes the buildingblocks for tanks, planes, buildings, and even food.
it's probable, just incredibally advanced, it is the 41st mellinum after all.

holy smokes I just figured out how Necron Guass weapons work work, they turn mass to energy and feed it to the c'tan. That's why they peal their target like an onion....and eldar bonesingers they convert warp energy into mass, thus creating buildings.
I didn't figure this out untill just now, but maybe that makes New Sol too advanced....
I'll probably make it a more primitive version they can only fabricate things based on blueprints and if a number is off or something you get a mess. New Sol also must use physical matter, they can't use energy from the warp like the eldar. Those that tried met with bad results. Living matter is against their principles (chaos cults on the other hand....) so they don't use it as a weapon though they will make an exception for the necrons and tyrannids.
New Sol doesn't know why but it's fleets seem to end up between The Exodites and their enemies for some reasion.... (sneaky eldar mrgreen )  

[Glorious Leader Luna]

mass energy converters are alright in my books just name it as one of the many scientific achievements made in the Dark Age of Technology what was then loss in the Age of Strife thus with the loss of your STC (Standard Template Constructs) your guys don't know how to make new ones and the ones you have can fix themselves or you know how to fix them (but not build them).  

[Iron Wolf 85]

oh they can still create them, but creating the energy mass converters isn't a problem, creating new things on the other hand......

they understand what it does E=mc2 and all that, but what they can't seem to do is program new things into it, in the dark age of technology the codes were lost. They can scan something and create a near exact copy thing is the database is locked, once it's in there they can only delete it or use it, not modify it. Hence the engineers who maintain the machines, and create new prototypes.

95% of New Sol's population is literate because they can easily spit out books which really aren't all that expensive in terms of materals used.
a popular one is Art of War
I can't imagine why wink

the engineering corps look down on the Adeptus Mechanus because the average engineer can do the same job as a techpriest in a quarter of the time, there's an entry that says five of them do an hour long of prair with incense and such before they even push the big red start button.
The ad mech has some of the most brilliant minds in the galaxy, problem is they are too thinly spaced out.

The men New Sol Engineering Corps on the other hand may not have such brilliant minds within their ranks and STCs at their disposal, but they are well trained and effecent in their work, not to mention being capable fighters in their own right. The Engineering Corps and their fortifications are responsible for more dead invaders than any other group of the New Sol Military. Anyone that sees their castle and cogs symbol on a city wall should think twice about attacking.
Then again the orks don't think twice about anything do they, that's why their fun to play.  

[Caleidah]

Iron Wolf 85

oh they can still create them, but creating the energy mass converters isn't a problem, creating new things on the other hand......

they understand what it does E=mc2 and all that, but what they can't seem to do is program new things into it, in the dark age of technology the codes were lost. They can scan something and create a near exact copy thing is the database is locked, once it's in there they can only delete it or use it, not modify it. Hence the engineers who maintain the machines, and create new prototypes.

95% of New Sol's population is literate because they can easily spit out books which really aren't all that expensive in terms of materals used.
a popular one is Art of War
I can't imagine why wink

the engineering corps look down on the Adeptus Mechanus because the average engineer can do the same job as a techpriest in a quarter of the time, there's an entry that says five of them do an hour long of prair with incense and such before they even push the big red start button.
The ad mech has some of the most brilliant minds in the galaxy, problem is they are too thinly spaced out.

The men New Sol Engineering Corps on the other hand may not have such brilliant minds within their ranks and STCs at their disposal, but they are well trained and effecent in their work, not to mention being capable fighters in their own right. The Engineering Corps and their fortifications are responsible for more dead invaders than any other group of the New Sol Military. Anyone that sees their castle and cogs symbol on a city wall should think twice about attacking.
Then again the orks don't think twice about anything do they, that's why their fun to play.

And they're all named Mary Sue and prance about living lives that are splendidly perfect in every way.

Your Mass Energy converters are broken. Seriously. That kind of manufacturing power could easily bury anything that New Sol turned on. The biggest wars are lost due to running low on supplies, and it doesn't look like they'll ever run short on machines of war.

I'm fine with the 95% literacy. The fact that they can scan -anything- and then fairly completely recreate it is...painful. Not only can they make anything from anything, they can instantly reverse-engineer the most complicated of technologies.  

[Xenos Mortium]

1) By the general impression that I've gotten, your people are more the sort to make things out of scrap, their engineering more like the Orks than the Eldar. At any rate, unless they're hyper-advanced, they'd not be able to have access to such machinery.

2) 562 billion people on twenty four planets? That's an average of 23.4 billion people per planet, putting most hive worlds to shame. Assume half of everyone lives in space and you still have 11.7 billion people per planet. That's ridiculous. Either make more planets or less people.  

[Glorious Leader Luna]

Xenos Mortium

1) By the general impression that I've gotten, your people are more the sort to make things out of scrap, their engineering more like the Orks than the Eldar. At any rate, unless they're hyper-advanced, they'd not be able to have access to such machinery.

2) 562 billion people on twenty four planets? That's an average of 23.4 billion people per planet, putting most hive worlds to shame. Assume half of everyone lives in space and you still have 11.7 billion people per planet. That's ridiculous. Either make more planets or less people.

500 billion is the highest a hive world can be
100 billion is the lowest
(4th rulebook )

the average just tops the civilized worlds highest

@ Iron Wolf 85

A working STC what has energy mass converters would be hunted by the Adeptus Mechanus like anything nothing would stop them in getting that  

[Iron Wolf 85]

understood this is my brainstorming thread after all so I'm just going where my ideas take me.
it's not going to be an STC, they developed it themselves by sheer dumb luck and the workings of a genius, yes they are more advanced then the majority of the imperal worlds I've seen, not outclassing terra, mars, or forgeworlds obviously.
But the way I'm planning them they did not fall from grace, but climber up from an abandoned backwater colony into a thriving merchantile republic.
and no they are not like eldar, they act like the humans they are, with all their wonderful stupidity and brilliance, bravery and cowardace.

That's why humanity attracts chaos so often because humans vary so much you cannot define them.

the Eldar have influenced New Sol's value system somewhat, altioch being in the area once in a mlennium and all.
they do not slap things together from scrap, they melt down and recycle the scrap into new materals.  

[Caleidah]

Our statements of them "slapping things together from scrap" come from the fact that they can convert any form of matter to any other form so long as mass is preserved.

Someone just "happened" on the idea of a Mass Energy Converter? Methinks that someone would eventually leave the system, side with the Imperium, and your system's a** blown all to hell by the Mechanicus.

Your fluff, your deal.

And you contradicted yourself. You've said several times that they're more advanced than the Mechanicus. Right here, you said that they were behind Forgeworlds. Where do the Mechanicus gather and do their business? Forgeworlds. What should New Sol therefore be more advanced than? I think Forgeworlds would be a good answer.  

[Iron Wolf 85]

I am insane like that xp

I mean in terms of what machines they can make yeah for the most part they are more advanced than the mechanus, but I meant that there are forge worlds with specialist technology, like one that prodouces Plasma Weapons, there are places like that where the mechanus is more advanced than New Sol.
they out class the mechanus but somtimes the mechanus has a brilliant man like a succesor to the fabricator general.
what I should of said is they out smart the mechanus 85% of the time. because the tech levels of planets can vary so much from place to place.
Yeah I think I'll have it as an STC, I was still debating that.

this is why I put it on the boards so we could debate it and make it better...