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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:45 pm
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:23 am
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:45 pm
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ShadowSharrow TeaDidikai I hate this condition. For those of you who are out of the loop, this feeling of desolation, spiritual depression and loneliness is pretty much universal. At some point a rational person is going to ask themselves "Is there really a point to all this?" Ouch, things have pretty much been that way for me for the last 4 months. Gotten so bad I had to let my dr put me on meds, no idea how long it will last. This may be out of place, but there's been a lot of research being done on controlled electric shocks to the brain and depression. So far it looks like almost all advantages and no disadvantages in how they're doing it, and the effects seem to last about three months with no side effects. The main problem is with publicizing it, since everything thinks "shock therapy" when they hear about it.
Anyway, if you're at the medication point for depression, that might be something to look into.
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 10:36 am
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Deoridhe ShadowSharrow TeaDidikai I hate this condition. For those of you who are out of the loop, this feeling of desolation, spiritual depression and loneliness is pretty much universal. At some point a rational person is going to ask themselves "Is there really a point to all this?" Ouch, things have pretty much been that way for me for the last 4 months. Gotten so bad I had to let my dr put me on meds, no idea how long it will last. This may be out of place, but there's been a lot of research being done on controlled electric shocks to the brain and depression. So far it looks like almost all advantages and no disadvantages in how they're doing it, and the effects seem to last about three months with no side effects. The main problem is with publicizing it, since everything thinks "shock therapy" when they hear about it. Anyway, if you're at the medication point for depression, that might be something to look into.
I know that when they first started researching it, there were a lot of problems with memory loss. Have they overcome those?
I have severe endemic depression -- very well controlled by medications, but I don't want to be on medication the rest of my life, due to long term side effects. I'd be very interested in this if there are no risks of memory loss. (My doctors have considered traditional shock treatment for me at times but my family didn't want to because of the side effects.)
@With Motion: My bf has similar issues -- he is an atheist who believes in oblivion after death, and it causes him a great deal of anxiety and depression, to the point that he wakes up in the night. However, he's really tackled it in therapy with a fantastic psychologist, and he's doing a lot better. He still doesn't like to think about it, but it no longer causes him to be constantly depressed. His therapist is Hindu, and also teaches MBSR (Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction, involving meditation techniques) and the ACT form of cognitive-behavioral therapy (Acceptance and Commitment Therapy) which is very good for issues like this.
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:49 am
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MoonJeli Deoridhe ShadowSharrow TeaDidikai I hate this condition. For those of you who are out of the loop, this feeling of desolation, spiritual depression and loneliness is pretty much universal. At some point a rational person is going to ask themselves "Is there really a point to all this?" Ouch, things have pretty much been that way for me for the last 4 months. Gotten so bad I had to let my dr put me on meds, no idea how long it will last. This may be out of place, but there's been a lot of research being done on controlled electric shocks to the brain and depression. So far it looks like almost all advantages and no disadvantages in how they're doing it, and the effects seem to last about three months with no side effects. The main problem is with publicizing it, since everything thinks "shock therapy" when they hear about it. Anyway, if you're at the medication point for depression, that might be something to look into. I know that when they first started researching it, there were a lot of problems with memory loss. Have they overcome those? I have severe endemic depression -- very well controlled by medications, but I don't want to be on medication the rest of my life, due to long term side effects. I'd be very interested in this if there are no risks of memory loss. (My doctors have considered traditional shock treatment for me at times but my family didn't want to because of the side effects.) I believe they have; the voltage they use, from what I know, is very low. However, your best bet is to check into a couple of different places and see what they say and if it's consistent. A doctor would be able to be a lot more specific and useful than I would. ^^ It's definitely NOT traditional shock therapy.
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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:36 pm
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MoonJeli @With Motion: My bf has similar issues -- he is an atheist who believes in oblivion after death, and it causes him a great deal of anxiety and depression, to the point that he wakes up in the night. However, he's really tackled it in therapy with a fantastic psychologist, and he's doing a lot better. He still doesn't like to think about it, but it no longer causes him to be constantly depressed. His therapist is Hindu, and also teaches MBSR (Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction, involving meditation techniques) and the ACT form of cognitive-behavioral therapy (Acceptance and Commitment Therapy) which is very good for issues like this. yeah, that does sound quite similar to me. I'm not an atheist however, I still believe that deities exist even though I haven't attached spiritually to any, at least not yet. But I think that if even if I did, I could never believe in any sort of afterlife that might go with the theology... not without some serious gnosis xp
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Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 1:36 pm
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Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:20 pm
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:13 am
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TeaDidikai So before I went on this mad spree of thread generation- this was what was on my mind. I hate this condition. For those of you who are out of the loop, this feeling of desolation, spiritual depression and loneliness is pretty much universal. At some point a rational person is going to ask themselves "Is there really a point to all this?" My experience says that only an injection of Gnosis can really cure this. Or maybe a shot of whiskey- but my money tends to fall on Gnosis myself. Anyone up for talking about their own experiences? How about advice that acts as a snip of brandy in one's tea?
Heilsan,
In my own case, I think that everyone whom is human at some stage must question the point of their own existence. I have noticed that there are a great many ways of dealing with this, and whilst we can categorise them into general terms, each person, in my experience, addresses the issues in a manner which is unique to them, given that their own experience is unique.
I myself have pondered the whole existence thing, and have at times wondered if it wouldn't be for the best to take a long walk off a short pier. There are a number of things which have determined my capacity and ability to look at such an idea and think it to be the cowards way out, and yes, I mean that literally. For starters, I believe that as a person of the Germanic Folkway, one of our tenets is strength both in mind and body, and keyed in with this is courage. Now it's interesting that our ancestors had no pejorative connotations when it comes to suicide, indeed, such a thing was practised at times and none thought the less of the people whom did it, but for myself, my outlook is that it's an admission of defeat.
I also consider the impact of 'to be or not to be' in terms of the impact on friends and family. For the Gaians here, I would just not log on any more, and likely some way or the other you may, or may not find out what took place, so the direct impact is relatively minor. However, for the great many people I know and am close to, such a thing would be a harrowing experience, and something that I would be loath to put them through, especially in the sense that I would be choosing to take 'exit, stage left' whilst leaving them with the mess to clean up.
I am also of the opinion that I'd rather not have to engage in another life just yet thanks very much. I'd rather live this one for as long as possible, for whilst it has its down sides, there are elements to it which are entirely enjoyable and frankly, to go through childhood again, well, I'd rather not thanks all the same.
But yes, it can be tough dealing with the day to day, the demands and needs of clients, family, friends, etc. I think our ancestors recognised this given that they had the concept of huoer muot, this translates as roughly 'higher mood', in other words, those whom were leaders and powerful were considered to have this higher mood, which was a joy and zest for life, for adventure. This was a sure sign of nobility amongst the Germanic Folk. It's not necessarily just the ability to take risks, but to always be of good cheer, no matter the situation that one is in.
Does Gnosis assist in determining that life has meaning and worth and carrying forward? My opinion is yes. But it's certainly not something that is necessary to achieve this as the things that I have written above attest, but it's perhaps the icing on the cake if you will, the fancy filigree work the foundations. So, do the gods and goddesses provide strength, yes, I believe they do, or perhaps it is merely that I believe that they do, and as my perception is my reality, well, there's your answer.
Ver thu heil
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:59 pm
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